zone VI meters

Every meter modified has the sticker, so if you have an unmodified but
working meter, and a modified but dead meter, some patience and some
chemical glue remover, you might be able to remove the sticker, and glue
it to the unmodified meter.

True. Or maybe the seller broke into the Zone VI Studio offices and stole
the sticker, then bought an unmodified meter, put the sticker on it, and
sold it to David as a modified meter.

"Paul Schmidt" wrote in message
...
BEllis60 wrote:
The sticker is the only way I know of without having equipment and means
of
testing that you probably don't have. However, it's a pretty good
indication
that the meter has in fact been modified. The only way it could be wrong
is
if the seller somehow was able to get his or her hands on a sticker and
then
put it on an unmodified meter, presumably for the purpose of defrauding
a
buyer. The stickers weren't sold separately from the modifications so
finding one without having the meter modified wouldn't be easy.

Every meter modified has the sticker, so if you have an unmodified but
working meter, and a modified but dead meter, some patience and some
chemical glue remover, you might be able to remove the sticker, and glue
it to the unmodified meter.

Ask Richard. He was the one that modified them for Fred. Only the modified
ones had the "Modified by ..." sticker on the side.
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By the way, I understand Calumet has dropped the modified meters.

davidb wrote:
Without being funny, how can you tell a Zone VI Modified Digital
Pentax meter from one that has not been modified.
I am asking because I just bought one for a very reasonable price. It
has the "Modified by Zone VI Studios Inc" sticker on the side. But is
there another way?

thanks

My modified meter (and probably most of them, since I remember Fred
Picker discussing this in one of his newsletters) had the sensitivity
adjusted by one stop. That is, if you had been using the unmodified
meter set at EI 200, you should use EI 400 after modification. So you
should be able to compare grey card readings with another known "good"
meter.

Lemuel Johnson

In article ,
Lemuel Johnson writes:

My modified meter (and probably most of them, since I remember Fred
Picker discussing this in one of his newsletters) had the sensitivity
adjusted by one stop. That is, if you had been using the unmodified
meter set at EI 200, you should use EI 400 after modification. So you
should be able to compare grey card readings with another known "good"
meter.

Why would you want this?

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davidb wrote:
Without being funny, how can you tell a Zone VI Modified Digital
Pentax meter from one that has not been modified.
I am asking because I just bought one for a very reasonable price. It
has the "Modified by Zone VI Studios Inc" sticker on the side. But is
there another way?

thanks

Whew! All those answers. The most definitive way to know if the meter
was modified or not is to look into the front and compare what you see
with a meter known to be unmodified. One of the flare-reducing steps is
the addition of field stops absent in the unmodified meter. I do not
know how many there are, but the first two are plainly visible. They
look like Waterhouse stops (which they are, actually), but not
interchangeable.

Careful testing reveals about a one-stop reduction in flare with the
Zone VI modifications.

It is difficult to get the "Modified by Zone VI Studios Inc" off the
meter and put it on another one without being obvious about it.
Furthermore, why bother?

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Lemuel Johnson wrote in message ...
davidb wrote:
Without being funny, how can you tell a Zone VI Modified Digital
Pentax meter from one that has not been modified.
I am asking because I just bought one for a very reasonable price. It
has the "Modified by Zone VI Studios Inc" sticker on the side. But is
there another way?

thanks

My modified meter (and probably most of them, since I remember Fred
Picker discussing this in one of his newsletters) had the sensitivity
adjusted by one stop. That is, if you had been using the unmodified
meter set at EI 200, you should use EI 400 after modification. So you
should be able to compare grey card readings with another known "good"
meter.

Lemuel Johnson

So if I've been rating Tri-X 400 at 200, I should go back to rating it
at 400?

I've been rating it at 200 and developing in D76 1:1 for 8 minutes.
The Kodak times are 400asa and 9.75 minutes. Should I be adjusting my
times again?

"Tim Daneliuk" wrote in message
...

Your point about the sticker it taken, though I don't know if they are
available any longer. I see nothing miraculous while looking through
the meter either. Now that I look at it more closely, I note that
there is also another sticker (much more substantial and less likely
to get peeled off) on the side of the grip that says "Modified By
Zone VI".

As a practial matter, I don't think it actually matters that much anyway.
Once I calibrated my personal EI using the meter, I use it as I would
any other meter. The claim that you can just meter through a filter
(which was one of the primary motivations for the modification) turns
out to not be true - at least in my experience with the two I've owned...

Actually the "stickers" are still available from Calumet. I have a Zone VI
sticker on my unmodified Soligor Spot Meter.

But to "respond" to the original question, one would have to be really
paranoid to believe that someone would counterfeit a "Zone VI Modified"
label. The mods are now done by Richard Ritter for Calumet. He has his won
website if search for it.

"But I think we agree on everything: Zone System sticker can be bought
separately, Zove VI Studios sticker can not."

In the interests of accuracy, may I suggest this alternative: The Zone VI
sticker with various zones printed on it can be bought separately. The
"Modified by Zone VI Studios" sticker cannot - it only comes with a meter."

The reason is the older zone stickers ALSO had "Zone VI Studios" on them
[Calumet has since dropped that]. But, just when you think you've got it
tied down, Richard Ritter comes through and says he's seen some modified
Pentax digital meters WITHOUT the "Modified by ..." sticker. He didn't say
how he thinks they originated.

I had heard Pentax had discontinued the meter, and that Calumet had also.
However, I just checked the Calumet site and they're still listed there -
for $580. The zone stickers for them are there too - $3.

"Severi Salminen" wrote in message
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BEllis60 wrote:

I said:
There were two stickers that Zone VI Studios used. One is the zone
system

sticker. This was the sticker Tim was talking about .

Severi S said
: No he was not, please re-read.

I did re-read. I don't know what messages you're reading but what I saw
was
the following statment from Tim:

Yes, I actually twisted my brains myself when trying to set you straight
But I think we agree on everything: Zone System sticker can be bought
separately, Zove VI Studios sticker can not. David asked some other
identification than the Zone VI Studios sticker and Tim answered by
referring incorrectly to the Zone System sticker. So the original
question is still unanswered

Severi S.

Oops - spoke too soon. Forgot to check stock availability. Calumet say
they are unavailable at main warehouse. So, sounds like they're selling off
existing stock. Too bad. Probably a lot of them out there though.

"Alecj" wrote in message
.. .
"But I think we agree on everything: Zone System sticker can be bought
separately, Zove VI Studios sticker can not."

In the interests of accuracy, may I suggest this alternative: The Zone VI
sticker with various zones printed on it can be bought separately. The
"Modified by Zone VI Studios" sticker cannot - it only comes with a
meter."

The reason is the older zone stickers ALSO had "Zone VI Studios" on them
[Calumet has since dropped that]. But, just when you think you've got it
tied down, Richard Ritter comes through and says he's seen some modified
Pentax digital meters WITHOUT the "Modified by ..." sticker. He didn't
say
how he thinks they originated.

I had heard Pentax had discontinued the meter, and that Calumet had also.
However, I just checked the Calumet site and they're still listed there -
for $580. The zone stickers for them are there too - $3.

"Severi Salminen" wrote in message
...
BEllis60 wrote:

I said:
There were two stickers that Zone VI Studios used. One is the
zone
system

sticker. This was the sticker Tim was talking about .

Severi S said
: No he was not, please re-read.

I did re-read. I don't know what messages you're reading but what I
saw
was
the following statment from Tim:

Yes, I actually twisted my brains myself when trying to set you straight
But I think we agree on everything: Zone System sticker can be bought
separately, Zove VI Studios sticker can not. David asked some other
identification than the Zone VI Studios sticker and Tim answered by
referring incorrectly to the Zone System sticker. So the original
question is still unanswered

Severi S.

"Alecj" wrote in message
.. .
Oops - spoke too soon. Forgot to check stock availability. Calumet say
they are unavailable at main warehouse. So, sounds like they're selling
off
existing stock. Too bad. Probably a lot of them out there though.

Not necessarily. Calumet has decided to discontinue a lot of darkroom and
analog equipment in their retail stores, but they still sell it on the
internet from their warehouse. So that by itself does not mean that the
product is no longer available.