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BAN: Photography on USA trains and buses
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 02:47:49 GMT, "FLY135" FLY_135(@hot not
not)notmail.com wrote: This is talking in circles. We will not let another Taliban like govt. take over in Iraq. We just got rid of one because it was a safe haven for al-qaeda. Well, what's safe haven. A lot of people moved to the area from other countries during the war against the Soviet Union, and married and got their children, and had no interest anymore in going back to their country of origin (probably also because they "became somebody" over there). Coupled to this the presence of Al-Qaeda and a lo tof money in the region, yes, you attract them as flies. So on the "should not" we are in agreement. But your statement indirectly and blatently admits if we allow the Iraqi to refuse to ask for help that the end result is that is what we will get. If they ask for help, they should get it. However, the American government took it upon them selves to "give" the help without being asked for it. Apparently there were very advanced plans to oust Saddam from within. From http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...?oneclick=true "It is impossible to verify the seemingly fantastic stories told to me by this embittered man. However, Fanar detailed the activities of his family in going abroad to meet US agents and spiriting CIA operatives into Iraq under the guise of visiting American businessmen. He also described a tribal plot to hijack eight Iraqi Air Force bombers for an attack on Saddam's palaces as a prelude to a coup only days before the US-led invasion on March 20 last year." But the article says "impossible to verify". Eventually Muslims are going to have to face reality and not stonewall their own progress over false pride. Ignore the false if that bothers you, but if you want pride then you should earn it by putting your best foot forward and not demand it because you need it. It took our Christian-dominated western world many centuries too, to see this. If you live in an uneducated world, and the church is the one which determines your world-vision, yeah, it will take some time. If you think that he would be turned over to an Islamic court you are as big a dreamer as the Taliban. However, your last statement seems to indicate that you recognize this. Which makes me wonder why you thought that would be tough. I do indeed recognize this. And the best bet would probably be the International Court in The Hague. They have dealt with tough cases the last couple of years. He already had a fundamentalist state in Afghanistan so obviously that didn't work. Did we ever give him a chance? No, because we were afraid and try to interfere with it. We were content to let them oppress women, sentance Christians to death, and destroy a priceless statute of ancient culture to their hearts content. Hmm, Americans and ancient culture ;-) But it was giving safe haven to al-qaeda did them in. It's the Al-Qaeda base, not safe haven, because they were there already for years. rr |
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BAN: Photography on USA trains and buses
"Rata Rioja" wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 02:47:49 GMT, "FLY135" FLY_135(@hot not not)notmail.com wrote: Eventually Muslims are going to have to face reality and not stonewall their own progress over false pride. Ignore the false if that bothers you, but if you want pride then you should earn it by putting your best foot forward and not demand it because you need it. It took our Christian-dominated western world many centuries too, to see this. If you live in an uneducated world, and the church is the one which determines your world-vision, yeah, it will take some time. Well there in no question that the poorer a people are, the more valuable pride is to their existance. Muslims aren't particularly unique in that respect. And you are exactly correct in that education and accomplishment is the generally the way to receive the legitimate respect of others. And to create a society that you can take pride in. We were content to let them oppress women, sentance Christians to death, and destroy a priceless statute of ancient culture to their hearts content. Hmm, Americans and ancient culture ;-) I did say that we were content to let them do it. So lets not imply hypocrisy But it was giving safe haven to al-qaeda did them in. It's the Al-Qaeda base, not safe haven, because they were there already for years. Perhaps we have a different definition of safe haven. The fact that Al-Qaeda could maintain a base in Afganistan protected by the soveriegnty of the Taliban is what I mean by "safe haven". And that is precisely what did the Taliban in. |
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