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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
In article , MC
wrote: how many people repair their own laptops? not very many. Maybe not but they should be, at least, repairable or servicable without it being cheaper to buy a new one. they are definitely cheaper to repair than buy a new one. whatever gave you the idea it isn't?? where do people come up with this ****? Come on, at least you should be able to replace a battery, especially at the price these products sell for. what for? the battery outlasts the computer and statistics show that fewer than 5% of laptop users buy replacement batteries anyway. the battery's lifetime is rated at 5 years. most people replace their computers by then, but for the few who don't, they can take it to an apple store to have the battery replaced, which is done while you wait, just as it is on phones. *one* battery swap in 5 years is hardly a big deal, assuming you'd want to keep using a 5 year old computer. meanwhile, during those 5 years, you have a lighter, thinner and more reliable laptop, something that benefits users every day. I mean, they are hardly disposable... or are they? If so, clever Apple for reeling in those with more money than sense. they're not disposable and they're not the only company who makes products with internal batteries either. when dell did it, not a peep. bunch of hypocrites. Still, Apple is Apple and there will always be the brand whores who will buy their products, whatever the cost and design. And, I suppose, that is Apple's strength. nonsense. other companies make similar design decisions, and the usual apple bashers completely ignore that. like i said, it's more of the same hypocritical bull****. Their business model relys on being cult status and having "brainwashed" their users over the years into believing their products are better than anything else, when really they are not. nonsense. nobody is brainwashed. more bull****. some of apple's products are clearly better and some aren't. more importantly, some are better suited to what someone wants to do, which is what matters, and what the bashers don't understand. it's not about specs. pick the best tool for the job. if something doesn't fit your needs buy something else that does. very simple. Good luck to them, I say, although the easily led will not fall for it forever. nobody is being led nor is anyone falling for anything. more idiocy. people make their own informed choices about what the best product for their needs is. that might not be the same product that fits your needs, and you just have to accept that. if anything, it's windows users who are easily led, as all they do is follow the herd, never considering alternatives that might be better suited to what they actually want to do. |
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
On 2013-10-26 01:00:40 +0000, "MC" said:
nospam wrote: how many people repair their own laptops? not very many. Maybe not but they should be, at least, repairable or servicable without it being cheaper to buy a new one. Come on, at least you should be able to replace a battery, especially at the price these products sell for. I mean, they are hardly disposable... or are they? If so, clever Apple for reeling in those with more money than sense. Still, Apple is Apple and there will always be the brand whores who will buy their products, whatever the cost and design. And, I suppose, that is Apple's strength. Their business model relys on being cult status and having "brainwashed" their users over the years into believing their products are better than anything else, when really they are not. Good luck to them, I say, although the easily led will not fall for it forever. MC It seems that for the sceptic future MacBook buyers, buying AppleCare is going to be pushed by Apple and other official resellers. As far as I am concerned, my MBP 17'' is tough as nails, and still works just fine, and realistically I don't really have a need for another laptop as my iPad is pretty much filling that role these days. If anything, one of these days I will probably upgrade to a new 128GB iPad and keep my battered old MBP for those other odd traveling tasks. Here is what my battered MBP looks like after taking a drop out of a case onto my driveway. Not pretty, but it works just fine. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...IMG_0382Ew.jpg -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
In article , J. Clarke
wrote: Contrast that to the Lenovo Thinkpads, which have icons on every screw hole showing what the screws secure, and a mark showing how long the screw is that goes into that hole. It's like they _want_ people to work inside their machines. and the vast majority won't ever do that, so why bother? meanwhile, don't try to open a surface pro. stuff will break. |
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
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RichA wrote: Some people like the ability to add new memory. very few do so after purchase. What's Apple charging these days, $500 a gig? about $12/gig for ddr3 1600, competitive with most ram vendors. |
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
On 10/25/2013 8:41 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2013.10.25, 20:35 , PeterN wrote: I don't know about 'most people,' but I paid Lenovo for 4 gig of memory, and bought 16 from Crucial, for much less than half the price Lenovo wanted to charge. The replacement took less than 15 minutes. I had the chance to see if I really needed the memory before I bought it, and saved money in the process. I recently bought a new iMac with the minimum memory (8 GB). I bought another 16 GB from Crucial at a lower price than Apple charged for 8 more. Stuffing it into the iMac took about 3 minutes from shutdown to startup. 24 GB means never having to write to swap (esp. with the new OS 10.9 "Mavericks" as it appears Apple have done major improvements to memory management). My laptop won't support more than 16. There is only one -- PeterN |
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
On 10/25/2013 8:59 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: I don't know about 'most people,' but I paid Lenovo for 4 gig of memory, and bought 16 from Crucial, for much less than half the price Lenovo wanted to charge. The replacement took less than 15 minutes. I had the chance to see if I really needed the memory before I bought it, and saved money in the process. most people wouldn't know where to start to add their own memory. not everyone is a geek. now you decide at the time of purchase instead of later, and apple's prices aren't all that outrageous, assuming you compare the same type of memory. for instance, apple charges $100 more for 8 gig versus 4 gig on the 13" macbook pro retina. newegg has the same spec memory for $77. other sellers are a little higher. $20 to have it preinstalled and not need to deal with figuring out which chip to get, along with having everything warranted by one company so there isn't any question about what caused any problem that might occur, is well worth it. You don't have to be a geek to install memory. But you are probably right in this case. IIRC Lenovo wanted $240 more for 16gig. I paid under $100. I do admit, that I got a deal on it, as I found a place that was going out of business. Otherwise it owuld have cost me $160, from Crucial. Still a savings. -- PeterN |
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
On 10/25/2013 9:41 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , MC wrote: how many people repair their own laptops? not very many. Maybe not but they should be, at least, repairable or servicable without it being cheaper to buy a new one. they are definitely cheaper to repair than buy a new one. whatever gave you the idea it isn't?? where do people come up with this ****? Come on, at least you should be able to replace a battery, especially at the price these products sell for. what for? the battery outlasts the computer and statistics show that fewer than 5% of laptop users buy replacement batteries anyway. the battery's lifetime is rated at 5 years. most people replace their computers by then, but for the few who don't, they can take it to an apple store to have the battery replaced, which is done while you wait, just as it is on phones. *one* battery swap in 5 years is hardly a big deal, assuming you'd want to keep using a 5 year old computer. meanwhile, during those 5 years, you have a lighter, thinner and more reliable laptop, something that benefits users every day. I mean, they are hardly disposable... or are they? If so, clever Apple for reeling in those with more money than sense. they're not disposable and they're not the only company who makes products with internal batteries either. when dell did it, not a peep. bunch of hypocrites. Still, Apple is Apple and there will always be the brand whores who will buy their products, whatever the cost and design. And, I suppose, that is Apple's strength. nonsense. other companies make similar design decisions, and the usual apple bashers completely ignore that. like i said, it's more of the same hypocritical bull****. Their business model relys on being cult status and having "brainwashed" their users over the years into believing their products are better than anything else, when really they are not. nonsense. nobody is brainwashed. more bull****. some of apple's products are clearly better and some aren't. more importantly, some are better suited to what someone wants to do, which is what matters, and what the bashers don't understand. it's not about specs. pick the best tool for the job. if something doesn't fit your needs buy something else that does. very simple. Good luck to them, I say, although the easily led will not fall for it forever. nobody is being led nor is anyone falling for anything. more idiocy. people make their own informed choices about what the best product for their needs is. that might not be the same product that fits your needs, and you just have to accept that. if anything, it's windows users who are easily led, as all they do is follow the herd, never considering alternatives that might be better suited to what they actually want to do. For some strange reason, I like the option, to be able to replace. I don't like having replacement forced on me. I suspect that "most people," and I exclude the gaming crowd, use their computers solely for Internet browsing, email and occasional word processing. The tablets changed that somewhat, by making low cost specialized apps available. -- PeterN |
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
In article , PeterN
wrote: You don't have to be a geek to install memory. depends what you call a geek. most people aren't interested in opening up the computer to install parts, even if it's easy. you don't need to be an auto mechanic to change a flat tire but most people don't want to deal with that either. But you are probably right in this case. IIRC Lenovo wanted $240 more for 16gig. I paid under $100. I do admit, that I got a deal on it, as I found a place that was going out of business. Otherwise it owuld have cost me $160, from Crucial. Still a savings. apple currently charges $200 for 16 gig ddr3 1600 memory. that's *less* than lenovo charges, presumably for the same spec memory. it'd be much worse if lenovo charges more for lower spec memory. so much for apple being more expensive. $40 to have the memory preinstalled and fully warranted by one company is well worth it to many people. no hassles and it just works. if anything goes wrong, it will be fixed, without anyone blaming it on faulty third party memory. |
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
In article , PeterN
wrote: For some strange reason, I like the option, to be able to replace. I don't like having replacement forced on me. nothing is forced on anyone. I suspect that "most people," and I exclude the gaming crowd, use their computers solely for Internet browsing, email and occasional word processing. The tablets changed that somewhat, by making low cost specialized apps available. many people do little more than that, which is why an ipad works out well for them. a laptop and certainly a desktop is overkill. for those who are doing stuff like 3d rendering, video editing, etc., they can get a more powerful workstation for those tasks and fall back to an ipad for the simpler stuff. use the best tool for the job. it also won't be all that long until some of the more sophisticated stuff will be done on mobile devices. |
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