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Why use Lightroom if you already have Photoshop??
"John Navas" wrote: That's a non-trivial suggestion -- my own take is that the learning curve is pretty high and steep. Well i was pressuming the OP is already an experienced CS3/ACR and Bridge user, so i guess it should be possible to get a quick feeling if the workflow and possibilites that LR offers match his own working style. I´d like to add one thing: Lightroom´s full abilities can only be unleashed when working with RAW files, if you shoot JPEG only you don´t need it. Regards, Markus |
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Why use Lightroom if you already have Photoshop??
tony cooper wrote:
the Adobe site) So far, the one benefit I see is the ability to increase/decrease exposure. This has worked out well with some photographs shot using a circular polarizer. Increasing the exposure by two stops in LR gives better results than anything I can do in PS7. Are you still shooting JPG? Exposure adjustments would be even more effective and useful if you shot raw. -- -- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. -- usenet posts from gmail.com and googlemail.com are filtered out. |
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Why use Lightroom if you already have Photoshop??
tconway wrote:
"trouble" wrote in message I have Photoshop CS. Would you recommend getting LR as opposed to upgrading to CS4 or CS5 in time? Depends on what it is you like to do with images. If almost strictly a photog, LR may be the way to go. What are your druthers- do you shoot mostly RAW now? -- john mcwilliams |
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Why use Lightroom if you already have Photoshop??
Jack wrote:
Just wondering. I constantly see posts here and in other NG's WRT to Adobe Lightroom. I've gone to Adobe's web page to read about it, but I STILL don't get it. If one already owns Adobe Photoshop (in my case, CS3) what is the purpose to buying and using Lightroom? Doesn't PS do everything LR does? Can somebody with a clue help me out here as I seem to be completely clueless on this issue. TIA. For handling a lot of images easily in little time and keeping them organized. Lightroom is like Bridge, Camera Raw and a powerful photo database in one application. Here's a typical Lightroom workflow: Use Lightroom to simultaneously: 1) import files from your memory card, 2) rename them according to your own (or your company's) file naming protocols, 3) assign keywords and 4) convert them to compressed DNG. Preview all shots and sort, rate (no stars through four stars) and cull (delete the rejects) them. Set all the raw conversion parameters (individually or in bulk - or a combination of the two) to get the images looking the way you want. For example, if there's a dust spot on your sensor you can remove it from all photos in a batch in one go. This is done nondestructively, so your original images are kept unaltered) and in most cases I find I'm able to get the look I want without needing Photoshop later. Export JPEG, TIFF or PDS files in any colorspace, bit-depth and size you like, individually or in batches. Later you can find images by their location on your hard drive, by a database collection to which you have assigned them or by keywords. There's a lot more in there, too. -- Mark Roberts Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com |
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Why use Lightroom if you already have Photoshop??
In , on 12/16/2008
at 11:41 AM, "trouble" said: If you don't know why you need it then you don't need it. Lightroom is a specialized version of Bridge/ACR. You can apply tweaks to large numbers of images simultaneously in Bridge but the interface in Lightroom is more suited to that task as well as organizing large numbers of similar images. In truth Adobe should have dumped the bugfest that is still Bridge and substituted Lightroom but that would kill a revenue stream. In order to entice people to buy Lightroom as well as Photoshop there are some modifications of the tools in Photoshop that are only found in Lightroom, but they are no big deal. Adobe has gotten into the really bad habit of creating tools that appear to do the same operation mathematically but calling them different things and giving them a different graphic interface if the tool appears in Lightroom, the ACR or the Photoshop desktop. Adobe purposefully does not document the tools well (read the Photoshop online "help" for an example of what "obfuscation" means) so that if you look into different books and articles by "experts" you usually find wildly different interpretations of how the tools work and how to apply them. It is sad that a great product like Photoshop has so much marketing chicanery that negatively impacts its use. Yup. Its why I use Nikon Capure NX2. The price is way lower too. |
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Why use Lightroom if you already have Photoshop??
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:55:05 +0100, "Markus Fuenfrocken"
wrote: "John Navas" wrote: That's a non-trivial suggestion -- my own take is that the learning curve is pretty high and steep. Well i was pressuming the OP is already an experienced CS3/ACR and Bridge user, so i guess it should be possible to get a quick feeling if the workflow and possibilites that LR offers match his own working style. I´d like to add one thing: Lightroom´s full abilities can only be unleashed when working with RAW files, if you shoot JPEG only you don´t need it. And how are you supposed to figure that out by using the trial version for a couple of hours? |
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Why use Lightroom if you already have Photoshop??
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:29:39 GMT, Mark Roberts
wrote: Jack wrote: Just wondering. I constantly see posts here and in other NG's WRT to Adobe Lightroom. I've gone to Adobe's web page to read about it, but I STILL don't get it. If one already owns Adobe Photoshop (in my case, CS3) what is the purpose to buying and using Lightroom? Doesn't PS do everything LR does? Can somebody with a clue help me out here as I seem to be completely clueless on this issue. TIA. For handling a lot of images easily in little time and keeping them organized. Lightroom is like Bridge, Camera Raw and a powerful photo database in one application. Here's a typical Lightroom workflow: Use Lightroom to simultaneously: 1) import files from your memory card, 2) rename them according to your own (or your company's) file naming protocols, 3) assign keywords and 4) convert them to compressed DNG. Preview all shots and sort, rate (no stars through four stars) and cull (delete the rejects) them. Set all the raw conversion parameters (individually or in bulk - or a combination of the two) to get the images looking the way you want. For example, if there's a dust spot on your sensor you can remove it from all photos in a batch in one go. This is done nondestructively, so your original images are kept unaltered) and in most cases I find I'm able to get the look I want without needing Photoshop later. Export JPEG, TIFF or PDS files in any colorspace, bit-depth and size you like, individually or in batches. Later you can find images by their location on your hard drive, by a database collection to which you have assigned them or by keywords. There's a lot more in there, too. Can it do retouching? Like removing a tin can from the grass? |
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Why use Lightroom if you already have Photoshop??
Bubba wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:55:05 +0100, "Markus Fuenfrocken" wrote: "John Navas" wrote: That's a non-trivial suggestion -- my own take is that the learning curve is pretty high and steep. Well i was pressuming the OP is already an experienced CS3/ACR and Bridge user, so i guess it should be possible to get a quick feeling if the workflow and possibilites that LR offers match his own working style. I´d like to add one thing: Lightroom´s full abilities can only be unleashed when working with RAW files, if you shoot JPEG only you don´t need it. And how are you supposed to figure that out by using the trial version for a couple of hours? Actually Bubba, LR 2 is really good at handling JPEGs. OK so a few of the more intricate features are still designed around RAW files but the application itself (which started life as "Rawshooter") has matured a little in version 2 and now works quite well with JPEG files as well as RAW files. |
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Why use Lightroom if you already have Photoshop??
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:27:10 -0500, "tconway"
wrote: "trouble" wrote in message .. . If you don't know why you need it then you don't need it. Lightroom is a specialized version of Bridge/ACR. You can apply tweaks to large numbers of images simultaneously in Bridge but the interface in Lightroom is more suited to that task as well as organizing large numbers of similar images. In truth Adobe should have dumped the bugfest that is still Bridge and substituted Lightroom but that would kill a revenue stream. In order to entice people to buy Lightroom as well as Photoshop there are some modifications of the tools in Photoshop that are only found in Lightroom, but they are no big deal. Adobe has gotten into the really bad habit of creating tools that appear to do the same operation mathematically but calling them different things and giving them a different graphic interface if the tool appears in Lightroom, the ACR or the Photoshop desktop. Adobe purposefully does not document the tools well (read the Photoshop online "help" for an example of what "obfuscation" means) so that if you look into different books and articles by "experts" you usually find wildly different interpretations of how the tools work and how to apply them. It is sad that a great product like Photoshop has so much marketing chicanery that negatively impacts its use. I have Photoshop CS. Would you recommend getting LR as opposed to upgrading to CS4 or CS5 in time? tim Absolutely. I love lightroom, but I also have CS2 as well as Elements 6. I find that LR and Elements does 99.9% of what I ever need, and most of that is done in LR. Someone said it is a version of Bridge. Not really true, it is a totally different program. It's designed from the ground up for photographers, especially those who shoot RAW. Once you start using it I think you'll find that you don't really need Photoshop for most of what you do. The image adjustments in LR are very capable, and the latest version has the equivalent of the healing brush and cloning tools along with local adjustments of color, tone, etc. The only time I use Photoshop (or Elements) is when I absolutely must use layers for something, or if I'm doing some slight of hand image manipulation; or if I want to use a Photoshop plugin of some kind. Otherwise my workflow is amazingly simple and gives great results: import, sort, rename, adjust and export to whatever format I want. You can create presets to develop a group of RAW files as a batch, or tweak individual images to your heart's content. Check out these tutorial videos: http://www.whibalhost.com/_Tutorials.../01/index.html They are specific to version 1.0, but the program is up to over version 2 now. The basic interface is the same. |
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Why use Lightroom if you already have Photoshop??
Mark Roberts wrote:
Jack wrote: Just wondering. I constantly see posts here and in other NG's WRT to Adobe Lightroom. I've gone to Adobe's web page to read about it, but I STILL don't get it. If one already owns Adobe Photoshop (in my case, CS3) what is the purpose to buying and using Lightroom? Doesn't PS do everything LR does? Can somebody with a clue help me out here as I seem to be completely clueless on this issue. TIA. For handling a lot of images easily in little time and keeping them organized. Lightroom is like Bridge, Camera Raw and a powerful photo database in one application. Here's a typical Lightroom workflow: Use Lightroom to simultaneously: 1) import files from your memory card, 2) rename them according to your own (or your company's) file naming protocols, 3) assign keywords and 4) convert them to compressed DNG. Preview all shots and sort, rate (no stars through four stars) and cull (delete the rejects) them. Set all the raw conversion parameters (individually or in bulk - or a combination of the two) to get the images looking the way you want. For example, if there's a dust spot on your sensor you can remove it from all photos in a batch in one go. This is done nondestructively, so your original images are kept unaltered) and in most cases I find I'm able to get the look I want without needing Photoshop later. Export JPEG, TIFF or PDS files in any colorspace, bit-depth and size you like, individually or in batches. Later you can find images by their location on your hard drive, by a database collection to which you have assigned them or by keywords. There's a lot more in there, too. Thanks for the description, it just begs more questions though sorry Can I zoom in & pan to a specific area, then flip to the next photo which is nearly identical, to decide which to cull? It has to hold the zoom and position, not default back to the center or upper-left. How accessible is the database? What if I want to synch that with a web site built with mySQL & php? What if I decide I don't want to use LR, can I get my data out in a usable form? Can I import data from a web site? Say flickr... or my own, or another program? I would use it to import my web pages, clean that up & standardize, then export back to my web page and continue to keep those synched. -- Paul Furman www.edgehill.net www.baynatives.com all google groups messages filtered due to spam |
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