Photoshop CC problem(s)

In article
l-september.org, Bill
W wrote:

I don¹t think PS can open raw files. I believe they must open in ACR. Maybe
you turned off the wrong options, and that is causing your problem.

photoshop uses camera raw, which is a unique type of plug-in.

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 03:11:42 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

The explorer thing is indeed a known issue (but I believe an old one), and a
simple fix, I think. It might have been as simple as taking the recent files
out of the view, or indexing, or something along those lines. I can’t
remember right now. I also think the LR catalog was modified once again with
a recent update, and that might have something to do with it. Are you sharing
the catalog with another location or PC?

I might be wrong, but given all Eric has said, I suspect that he doesn’t use LR, or Bridge, just a direct 1:1 PS workflow. So I doubt that the LR catalog, If it exists on Eric’s PC, is an issue. There is something else going on.
Perhaps Eric can confirm what his actual workflow is. As I have said many times, I for example use an LRc to PS workflow, but I am sure that there are those who just drop RAW, & JPEG files directly into PS without a thought of using LR.

I keep LR and PS separate. Most of my routine processing is done with
LR but if I have a special need I make copy of the image in another
folder (often a subfolder) and work on it there with PS. Although I no
longer use it, I treated DxO in the same way. I have an excessive
number of LR catalogs but they have never been an issue.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

I keep LR and PS separate.

everyone does, since they're different apps.

Most of my routine processing is done with
LR but if I have a special need I make copy of the image in another
folder (often a subfolder) and work on it there with PS.

there's no need to make a copy.

lightroom can roundtrip to photoshop or other editor.

Although I no
longer use it, I treated DxO in the same way. I have an excessive
number of LR catalogs but they have never been an issue.

why so many?

On Jan 15, 2021, nospam wrote
(in ) :

In article
l-september.org, Bill
W wrote:

I don¹t think PS can open raw files. I believe they must open in ACR. Maybe
you turned off the wrong options, and that is causing your problem.

photoshop uses camera raw, which is a unique type of plug-in.

Right, but he doesn’t want to use camera raw, so he changed some options,
thinking he was forcing PS to open raw files without camera raw.

On Jan 15, 2021, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 12:44:40 -0600, Bill
wrote:

Go into task manager, and check for 100% (or close) CPU, memory, or disk
read/write usage. The problem will be that it might take forever just to get
into task manager, but it’s helpful, so wait. If it’s Adobe tying
everything up, then take nospam’s advice, and reinstall everything. If
something else is responsible, let us know what it is. I have had very
similar problems from Malwarybytes, Foxit Reader, and one or two others. If
it something else, then you have to kill those programs, or uninstall them,
and then talk to their customer support. My problems tended to come after
updates to programs, and reinstalling them will not fix that.

I wish I had two Task Managers so I could watch both Processes and
Performance at the same time. In the absence of a second, I spend most
time watching Performance. With TBMT enabled only one core (out of 12)
is actively engaged and that is at 100%. With TBMT disabled loading an
image has an effect on the loading of all cores but not excessively.

But that is only part of the problem. Why does PS insist on starting
raw files in ACR, even when I have all the options switched off? Why
does it then run so slowly? Why are the sliders not working? What is
the difference between loading an image in PS and ditto in LR? PS has
been unusable since before Christmas.

I just looked at PS, and I don’t see any options to turn off, except for
something about “prefer ACR to open raw files". That appears to be a system
option - in other words, if you double click a file in windows explorer, it
will or won’t open automatically in ACR. You might want to double check
everything in the options panel that you might have changed. I couldn’t
find any button to reset to defaults, but there might be a way to do it.

In article
l-september.org, Bill
W wrote:

I don1t think PS can open raw files. I believe they must open in ACR.
Maybe
you turned off the wrong options, and that is causing your problem.

photoshop uses camera raw, which is a unique type of plug-in.

Right, but he doesn¹t want to use camera raw,

then he doesn't get to open raw files.

so he changed some options,
thinking he was forcing PS to open raw files without camera raw.

in other words, his problems are of his own making.

On Jan 15, 2021, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 12:44:40 -0600, Bill
wrote:

Go into task manager, and check for 100% (or close) CPU, memory, or disk
read/write usage. The problem will be that it might take forever just to get
into task manager, but it’s helpful, so wait. If it’s Adobe tying
everything up, then take nospam’s advice, and reinstall everything. If
something else is responsible, let us know what it is. I have had very
similar problems from Malwarybytes, Foxit Reader, and one or two others. If
it something else, then you have to kill those programs, or uninstall them,
and then talk to their customer support. My problems tended to come after
updates to programs, and reinstalling them will not fix that.

I wish I had two Task Managers so I could watch both Processes and
Performance at the same time. In the absence of a second, I spend most
time watching Performance. With TBMT enabled only one core (out of 12)
is actively engaged and that is at 100%. With TBMT disabled loading an
image has an effect on the loading of all cores but not excessively.

But that is only part of the problem. Why does PS insist on starting
raw files in ACR, even when I have all the options switched off?

PS cannot open RAW files on its own. PS is assisted in that task by ACR, or ACR buried in LRc.

Why does it then run so slowly?

If you are somehow trying to force feed NEF files to PS without first having them digested by ACR or LR, PS will choke.

Why are the sliders not working?

I think you are experiencing pilot error.

What is the difference between loading an image in PS and ditto in LR?

PS does not run ACR natively, LR is built with ACR as its native processing engine.

PS has been unusable since before Christmas.

I believe it is your PS that has been unusable for you. I sugest that you try to work your NEF files via round trip from LR to PS and back. Then tell us whether or not PS is still not working for you.

--
Regards,
Savageduck

On Jan 15, 2021, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 03:11:42 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

The explorer thing is indeed a known issue (but I believe an old one), and a
simple fix, I think. It might have been as simple as taking the recent files
out of the view, or indexing, or something along those lines. I can’t
remember right now. I also think the LR catalog was modified once again with
a recent update, and that might have something to do with it. Are you sharing
the catalog with another location or PC?

I might be wrong, but given all Eric has said, I suspect that he doesn’t use LR, or Bridge, just a direct 1:1 PS workflow. So I doubt that the LR catalog, If it exists on Eric’s PC, is an issue. There is something else going on.
Perhaps Eric can confirm what his actual workflow is. As I have said many times, I for example use an LRc to PS workflow, but I am sure that there are those who just drop RAW, & JPEG files directly into PS without a thought of using LR.

I keep LR and PS separate.

Why? LR & PS have been developed to work together.

Most of my routine processing is done with
LR but if I have a special need I make copy of the image in another
folder (often a subfolder) and work on it there with PS.

Again, why? That is totally unnecessary. From LRc if you have a “special need� make a round trip to PS by selecting “Edit in PS�. Make whatever special PS edits you need to the just “Save� in PS the file is returned to LRc complete with layers if used, and can be returned to PS for further adjustment if needed. It is all very neat and simple.

You are complicating things and somehow it has backfired on you.

Although I no longer use it, I treated DxO in the same way. I have an excessive
number of LR catalogs but they have never been an issue.

The number of LR catalogs you have is irrelevant provided you are consistent with how you use them.

Just grit your teeth and try to use an LR-PS workflow for your “special� NEF cases to see if PS behaves badley under those circumstances.

--
Regards,
Savageduck

In article .com,
Savageduck wrote:

On Jan 15, 2021, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):
...


I think you are experiencing pilot error.

we have a winner.

What is the difference between loading an image in PS and ditto in LR?

PS does not run ACR natively,

yes it does. it's a unique plug-in.

LR is built with ACR as its native processing
engine.

for lightroom, camera raw is an integral part of the app.

In article .com,
Savageduck wrote:

On Jan 15, 2021, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):
...


You are complicating things and somehow it has backfired on you.

we have a winner.