How to remove Rootkit malware from an Apple computer

In article , Ken Hart
wrote:

students now take notes on laptops or tablets. correspondence is via
email or texting.

Students rarely take notes in lectures on anything.

oh yes they do, on their laptops or tablets.

How do you know that? Have you interviewed ALL students? Or a
representative sample? At what grade level? Do you have a website cite
for your data? Is your data current? Does it take into consideration
school closures due to COVID-19?

how do *you* know that it's false (which it isn't)?

as usual, you're arguing just to argue, as is demonstrated by the sheer
ignorance of the last question.

Your experiences and observations are not universal. It's a big world
out there, and the sooner you realize that others have opinions that may
be just as valid as yours, the sooner you will be less of a noob.

it's not an opinion.

students take notes in class and will continue to do so until knowledge
can be osmosed directly into their brains.

these days, laptops and tablets dominate, with numerous apps designed
explicitly for the task, versus using a generic text editor.

In article , Scott Schuckert
wrote:


But Apple still don't have a desktop or laptop with a touchscreen why ?

Prhaps they remember the lesson of the first touchscreen computer, the
HP 150 of 1983. Desktop touchscreen users frequently complained of
repetitive stress injuries, reaching up from the desk level to
manipulate the screen. Eventually, the feature was discontinued.

known as gorilla arms, that is certainly an issue, but back then, there
was zero benefit in touching, with an os that was text-based.

apple has two operating systems, one designed for mouse/keyboard and
another for touch , each optimized for their own ui paradigm. although
there is some overlap, combining them into one is not going to happen.

unlike apple, microsoft doesn't have the option of a separate mobile
operating system, so the only thing they could do was to add touch to
windows, something which is conceptually flawed, a lesson they learned
the hard way.

another thing of note, laptops with touch are most commonly used as
normal non-touch laptops. it's little more than a checklist item.

it's all around a stupid idea.

Perhaps we get away with it now because most touchscreens are laptops
with a lower reach, or tablets with effectively none. Or perhaps
discriminating users prefer the more accurate pointer of a mouse or
tablet. (GRIN) My blunt fingers STILL give me selection errors on my
iPad.

two different ui paradigms for different types of use cases.

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

But Apple still don't have a desktop or laptop with a touchscreen why ?

Prhaps they remember the lesson of the first touchscreen computer, the
HP 150 of 1983. Desktop touchscreen users frequently complained of
repetitive stress injuries, reaching up from the desk level to
manipulate the screen. Eventually, the feature was discontinued.

known as gorilla arms, that is certainly an issue, but back then, there
was zero benefit in touching, with an os that was text-based.

windows wasn't released until 1985 so the interface was special to them (HP).

nobody said anything about windows.

apple has two operating systems, one designed for mouse/keyboard and
another for touch , each optimized for their own ui paradigm. although
there is some overlap, combining them into one is not going to happen.

unlike apple, microsoft doesn't have the option of a separate mobile
operating system, so the only thing they could do was to add touch to
windows, something which is conceptually flawed, a lesson they learned
the hard way.

another thing of note, laptops with touch are most commonly used as
normal non-touch laptops. it's little more than a checklist item.

it's all around a stupid idea.

https://appleinsider.com/articles/20...nt-ruling-out-
touchscreen-macbooks.

Despite Apple continually saying it won't bring touchscreens to the Mac, a
new patent includes one description that explicitly refers to touchscreen
laptops.

https://qz.com/268963/apple-fanboys-...t-huge-phones/

apple patents all sorts of stuff, most of which never becomes a product.

apple has repeatedly stated that they are going to keep the two
operating systems separate.

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

students now take notes on laptops or tablets. correspondence is via
email or texting.

Students rarely take notes in lectures on anything.

oh yes they do, on their laptops or tablets.

they don't, they are there to listen not to type.

one example of many:
http://mediashift.org/wp-content/upl...156098d85e9d9f
a767ac2b7f9-mizzou%20jschool%20loves%20apple.jpeg

at other schools, the prevalence of mac laptops is not as high, but
students still bring and use laptops in classes.

They can't do both at the same time,

of course they can, and do.

anyone can. it's not difficult.

this is one of the reasons
lectures are recorded, what experience do you have of going to lectures
we have them in our labs, what I see them doing is answering emails and doing
social media posts I can see them through my semi silvered office windows.
There has also been a 50% drop in attendance at some lectures as they watch
them later.

if they're watching prerecorded lectures, then they can *easily* take
notes in a different app on the very same computer while watching the
lecture, pausing as needed.


So why do people buy computers if they can do everything on a phone or
tablet, and other makes of phone and tablets have touchscreens too.

nobody said someone can do everything on a phone or tablet.

the fact remains that smartphones and tablets are computers.

But not used much for teaching at universities, perhaps schools on tablets.

what they're used for does not change whether or not it's a computer.

But Apple still don't have a desktop or laptop with a touchscreen why ?

because it's a stupid idea.

Why if it's good enough for tablets to be called computers.

different ui paradigm.

mac os was never designed for touch and shoehorning touch onto it is a
guaranteed failure.

That's a failure that they'll eventually have to overcome.

no they won't and it's not in any way a failure.

microsoft surface, which does have touch, is a commercial failure.

https://photos5.appleinsider.com/gal...levsSurface-xl.
jpg




and
market share has nothing to do with idiot-proof anyway.

Never said it did, what it proves is that not everyone wants to spend
extra
on a Mca when they can do what they want with a cheaper device.
That;s why our lap has Dell PCs.

it's a myth that macs cost extra.

No it isn't just check the prices.

check the specs.

higher spec products have higher prices.

when the specs are matched, the prices are similar.

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

As you said Mac OS doesn't support (yet) touchscreen.

that, and that *ios* is the version optimized for touch.

No point in a manufacturer designing a tochscreen until the OS can support
it.

several did, none were successful.

modbook pro was one. another had infrared light beams around the
display to detect finger position, which could be attached to a normal
display:
https://www.planar.com/products/touc...ouch-screen-te
chnology/

Windows 7 was the first version to support it.

barely. windows 8 is where microsoft tried to combine both
mouse/keyboard and touch, which turned out to be a disaster.

and there were winxp based tablets long ago, which was another disaster.

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

students now take notes on laptops or tablets. correspondence is via
email or texting.

Students rarely take notes in lectures on anything.

oh yes they do, on their laptops or tablets.

they don't, they are there to listen not to type.

one example of many:
http://mediashift.org/wp-content/upl...156098d85e9d9f
a767ac2b7f9-mizzou%20jschool%20loves%20apple.jpeg

Looks staged to me.

no reason why it would be.

at other schools, the prevalence of mac laptops is not as high, but
students still bring and use laptops in classes.

Classes and lectures are two separate things.

classes include lectures, recitations and labs. each class is
different. some might be only one. others are all three.


this is one of the reasons
lectures are recorded, what experience do you have of going to lectures
we have them in our labs, what I see them doing is answering emails and
doing
social media posts I can see them through my semi silvered office windows.
There has also been a 50% drop in attendance at some lectures as they
watch
them later.

if they're watching prerecorded lectures, then they can *easily* take
notes in a different app on the very same computer while watching the
lecture, pausing as needed.

That's the idea but NOT during live lectures.

yes during live lectures.

until a month ago, most students went to live lectures.

So why do people buy computers if they can do everything on a phone or
tablet, and other makes of phone and tablets have touchscreens too.

nobody said someone can do everything on a phone or tablet.

the fact remains that smartphones and tablets are computers.

But not used much for teaching at universities, perhaps schools on
tablets.

what they're used for does not change whether or not it's a computer.

Never said it did.
But most know the difference between such devices, even Apple uses separate
OS's
Why if they are all computers ?

because they serve different use cases, although they're all os x.

ios is optimized for touch and mac os is optimized for mouse/keyboard.
combining both into one is a very bad idea.

there are also variants of ios, including tvos, watchos and ipados,
each tweaked for its use case.

But Apple still don't have a desktop or laptop with a touchscreen why
?

because it's a stupid idea.

Why if it's good enough for tablets to be called computers.

different ui paradigm.

yes and different uses. for each.

exactly why they don't run exactly the same os.

you're catching on.

mac os was never designed for touch and shoehorning touch onto it is a
guaranteed failure.

That's a failure that they'll eventually have to overcome.

no they won't and it's not in any way a failure.

You work at Apple do you ?

don't need to.

microsoft surface, which does have touch, is a commercial failure.

https://photos5.appleinsider.com/gal...levsSurface-xl.
jpg

I'd say that is down to price.

Watches are computers too, so are so many things you can call a computer.

yep.

The Apple newton failed too.

not entirely. it was *well* ahead of its time and somewhat successful.
even to this day, it's still in some ways ahead of its time.

and
market share has nothing to do with idiot-proof anyway.

Never said it did, what it proves is that not everyone wants to spend
extra
on a Mca when they can do what they want with a cheaper device.
That;s why our lap has Dell PCs.

it's a myth that macs cost extra.

No it isn't just check the prices.

check the specs.

higher spec products have higher prices.

yes and most are reluctant to spend a lot on anything if they don't need to.

nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't change the fact that macs do
*not* cost more for similar specs.

macs do cost more than products with lesser specs, but that's to be
expected. higher spec products cost more than lesser specs. this is not
unique to macs. a higher spec dell or lenovo will cost more than a
lower spec model.

common sense.

when the specs are matched, the prices are similar.

That doesn't matter for most consumers for most products.

what matters is whether a product fits someone's needs.

buying the cheapest item available very often is *not* that.

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

As you said Mac OS doesn't support (yet) touchscreen.

that, and that *ios* is the version optimized for touch.

why can't they do similar with OSX ?

go learn what os x, mac os and ios actually are.

I think they will and add something else too, which is why they are claiming
they won't like they did with phones and screen size.

they won't.

adding touch to mac os would require a major rewrite, not simply adding
a new feature.

No point in a manufacturer designing a tochscreen until the OS can
support
it.

several did, none were successful.

windows has manged it.

and in every way a failure.

no point in following the same footsteps as something that failed.

modbook pro was one. another had infrared light beams around the
display to detect finger position, which could be attached to a normal
display:
https://www.planar.com/products/touc...ouch-screen-te
chnology/

Yes I know but that wasn't the the best way to do it.

exactly.

Multi-layer LCD type screens weren't possible at the time either.

that had nothing to do with it.

The newton wasn't the best way for a touch screen the best way of doing it
that's all that proved. Now you can draw on ipads with a dedicated 'pencil'

resistive touch was what was available at the time and perfectly fine
for something with handwriting recognition as its core feature, which
worked fairly well given its hardware constraints.

Windows 7 was the first version to support it.

barely. windows 8 is where microsoft tried to combine both
mouse/keyboard and touch, which turned out to be a disaster.

W10 seems to manage it.

not very well, and the vast majority of win10 users are not using touch
anyway.

and there were winxp based tablets long ago, which was another disaster.

mobile phones weren't popular either.

Apple Aperture wasn't, exactly a success either.

that has nothing to do with tablets or touch.

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

Students rarely take notes in lectures on anything.

oh yes they do, on their laptops or tablets.

they don't, they are there to listen not to type.

one example of many:
http://mediashift.org/wp-content/upl...156098d85e9d9f
a767ac2b7f9-mizzou%20jschool%20loves%20apple.jpeg

Looks staged to me.

no reason why it would be.

Why not.

How many of those students were actually watching the lecture or the
presentation ?

just about all of them, but there's always a couple of slackers in
every class.

https://twitter.com/merylkenny/statu...348419/photo/1

that's an insane rake.




If you want to take notes just film the lecture with your phone.

some people record it with their phone.



Who does anyone by a PC laptop if the Apple ones offer so much more.

because they're sheep and follow the herd, never investigating other
options to find what best fits their needs.

they immediately rule out apple for no valid reason and instead buy
whatever everyone else has, despite numerous compromises and
incorrectly assuming all computers are the same (they're not) therefore
no point in looking at alternatives (unwise).

they also believe various myths about apple, including that they're
expensive or incompatible with everything, which is of course, pure
rubbish.

some are incredibly ignorant. there are still people to this day who
think that any hardware or software for macs must be approved by apple.
that has *never* been the case, ever.

that doesn't mean macs are always the best choice, but for many things,
they are a much better choice than windows and certainly linux.

In article , nospam
wrote:

Who does anyone by a PC laptop if the Apple ones offer so much more.

because they're sheep and follow the herd, never investigating other
options to find what best fits their needs.

they immediately rule out apple for no valid reason and instead buy
whatever everyone else has, despite numerous compromises and
incorrectly assuming all computers are the same (they're not) therefore
no point in looking at alternatives (unwise).

I particularly love when people proclaim to "hate" Apple; usually with
no stated reason. When pressed, they struggle to come with "reasons"
and invariably tout clearly and demonstrably false ones. Prove it to
them, and they STILL don't believe it.

Sort of like anti-vaxxers.

Now, Apple doesn't pay me to have these arguments anymore, so I usually
sit back and laugh. But a few points:

Car analogy: After you arrive at your destination, no one can can tell
if you came in a Kia or a Mercedes. The primary function, moving your
physical body to another point in space is accomplished. And you saved
a lot of money with the Kia. Why do people buy Mercedes, and which is
considered the premium brand?

Longevity: Since I retired in 2009, I'm still using the same Mac laptop
and desktop I had on exit. They work fine, run all the current
software, and integrate fully with my current phone, tablet, and PC.
Does it really matter what they cost originally?

Stability and upgradeability: Neither of these computers has had a
system re-install since new. Matter of fact, they're each running OS
installs that predate the actual hardware by many years (back to the
PowerPC days) with appropriate - free - updates. You just hook up the
computers and it migrates everything seamlessly from the old box.

The desktop has done this four or five times.

Oh, and the proprietary software I need for my current job runs just
fine from a Windows partition installed on my Mac laptop. This is fully
supported by Apple, BTW.

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:41:40 -0400, Scott Schuckert
wrote:


I particularly love when people proclaim to "hate" Apple; usually with
no stated reason. When pressed, they struggle to come with "reasons"
and invariably tout clearly and demonstrably false ones. Prove it to
them, and they STILL don't believe it.

I find the opposite group just as amusing. The ones who say a person
"hates" Apple because they are not convinced Apple is the best product
for them.

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida