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Bill W wrote:

I knew several people in the telecom industry in Chicago, and they
were in the industry for at least 40 years at various companies. The
business and residential repair sides *never* mixed.

That is true in the respect that Sales and Marketing
both would have a very clearly defined separation.

Plant Operation does not have the same schism, there is
only one line of command from the VP of Operations, down
through various Managers and Line Supervisors to the
technicians. The same techs fix problems on all
services. They typically did have compartmentalization
though, but it was a Data Shop, a Switch Tech, a Carrier
Tech, a Radio Tech, and Testboard Techs that worked
Inside Plant, while Outside Plant was pretty much a
single group (the guys with a truck... who climbed
poles), though there might be a distinction between
people who install new circuits and those who do
repair work.

You just don't see those distinction from outside the
industy, and the only normal contact any customer has is
with Sales or Marketing. They never talk to Operations
unless they are also a telecom company.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/
Utqiagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

On 6/5/2017 8:37 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Floyd L. Davidson
wrote:

nope. i'm talking about real world experience and that of numerous
others.

the only ignorant and arrogant person is you.

You are hilarious! You have zero real world experience. Which is
easy for a person with more than 30 years in the industry, working
at exactly what we are discussing, to spot.

not only is this not about me or my experience, which you have no idea
what that is, but you can't spot the difference in business versus
residential service, something that is well known in the industry.

How would you know what is or is not known "in the industry"?

lots of ways.

All this mystical mythical speculation by someone (you, with no
experience at all) about how telecom companies function. Your
fabricating it all! Out of blue smoke!

tell that to peter, who began it all, and he's exactly correct:

In article , PeterN
wrote:

When systems go down, business phones get priority in repair.(at least
in theory.)

Go to an appropriate source, and look up the difference between theory
an practice. Here on the Isle of Long, when power goes out, power
restoration is prioritized, in theory.

--
PeterN

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


it also has absolutely nothing whatso****ingever to do with qualcomm's
absurd pricing, which you even agree is *illegal*.

I've done no such thing.

yes you did, stating that it's well established case law to not charge
higher prices for the same part.

I can't find where I said that. I don't think I said that.

you did, when i mentioned sandisk charging more for the *same* memory
card if it goes into a top of the line slr versus a p&s.

It still doesn't ring a bell. I've gone hunting and I found where you
wrote and I replied as follows:

imagine if sandisk charged a higher price for the exact same memory
card if it were to be used it in a high end nikon slr versus a
coolpix.

The memory card is the end product. This is well covered in law.

that's the one.

There are two aspects to this. First you can buy a license to use an
inventors technology. Second, the inventor can sell a finished
product. Nikon is not using Sandisk technology. Nikon is buying a
finished product from Sandisk which is using Sandisk's own technology.

apple, samsung, lg, motorola are buying a finished product from
qualcomm, that being a baseband modem chip.

When Sandisk sells its own product it doesn't require the purchaser to
license the technology. But if the XYZ Battery Co wanted to use
Sandisk technology in its own batteries, it would have to pay Sandisk
a license fee.

absolutely, however, that fee would not depend on whether the battery
is used in a $1 flashlight or a $1000 electronic flash or a $100,000
car.

But I never said "it's well established case law to not charge higher
prices for the same part." A seller can and does charge what he likes.

except when it's frand patents, and when they have a monopoly on it.

In article , PeterN
wrote:

tell that to peter, who began it all, and he's exactly correct:

In article , PeterN
wrote:

When systems go down, business phones get priority in repair.(at least
in theory.)

Go to an appropriate source, and look up the difference between theory
an practice. Here on the Isle of Long, when power goes out, power
restoration is prioritized, in theory.

everything is prioritized. to not do so is foolish.

On 6/5/2017 9:58 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

qualcomm wants more money for a given part (in this case, a baseband
modem) if the device has more memory, a fingerprint sensor, a wide
gamut display, a pencil or various other features that qualcomm did not
create and has no claim to.

qualcomm is only entitled to be paid for what they created, that being
the baseband modem, and not for stuff they didn't.

And why should not be paid on the basis of the value of the device
which could_not_be_made without Qualcomm's technology?

qualcomm should be paid *only* for the value of the parts they provide.

Qualcomm will argue that Qualcomms IP will make the parts considerably
more valuable than cost.

the cost of *their* parts isn't the issue.

it's the cost of *other* *parts* that they had *nothing* to do with.

THat's your take but we will have to wait and see what the situation
actually is.

it's not my take.

under no circumstances whatsoever should qualcomm (or any other company
for that matter) be paid for parts they did not supply, manufacture or
design.

device makers are paying qualcomm when they use sony cameras, samsung
memory, lg displays, synaptics fingerprint sensors and numerous other
parts.

that's ****ed up.

If that's what is happening, but I suspect you have misunderstood it.

you suspect wrong. that's *exactly* what's happening.

I don't read that from the FTC's summary.

then you need to read a lot more.

qualcomm is entitled only for what they produce. no more.

But what is it that they produce? Not just chips, but ideas.

*theirs*.

not that from other companies.

Sure Apple could make a device with all the bells and whistles of an
iPhoneX but what would it be worth without the ability to communicate
with the telephone network? It's not as if they have any alternative
supplier to Qualcomm.

which means qualcomm is abusing their monopoly position with frand
patents.

That is yet to be proved.

in court, sure, but it's obvious what's going on.

it also has absolutely nothing whatso****ingever to do with qualcomm's
absurd pricing, which you even agree is *illegal*.

I've done no such thing.

yes you did, stating that it's well established case law to not charge
higher prices for the same part.

I can't find where I said that. I don't think I said that.

you did, when i mentioned sandisk charging more for the *same* memory
card if it goes into a top of the line slr versus a p&s.

I don't know enough about the matter to reach
any conclusion.

yet you keep arguing.

I don't think you know enough about the matter to reach a conclusion
either,

i do

and yet you keep arguing.

only in response to your ludicrous statements.


Not the first time nospam has answered, in its uniquely nasty manner, to
its own statement.

--
PeterN

On 6/6/2017 12:11 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

tell that to peter, who began it all, and he's exactly correct:

In article , PeterN
wrote:

When systems go down, business phones get priority in repair.(at least
in theory.)

Go to an appropriate source, and look up the difference between theory
an practice. Here on the Isle of Long, when power goes out, power
restoration is prioritized, in theory.

everything is prioritized. to not do so is foolish.


From that last statement, we can conclude that according to nospam,
nobody is foolish.

--
PeterN

In article , PeterN
wrote:

When systems go down, business phones get priority in repair.(at least
in theory.)

Go to an appropriate source, and look up the difference between theory
an practice. Here on the Isle of Long, when power goes out, power
restoration is prioritized, in theory.

everything is prioritized. to not do so is foolish.

From that last statement, we can conclude that according to nospam,
nobody is foolish.

you certainly are.

On Tue, 06 Jun 2017 03:36:35 -0800, (Floyd L.
Davidson) wrote:

Bill W wrote:

I knew several people in the telecom industry in Chicago, and they
were in the industry for at least 40 years at various companies. The
business and residential repair sides *never* mixed.

That is true in the respect that Sales and Marketing
both would have a very clearly defined separation.

Plant Operation does not have the same schism, there is
only one line of command from the VP of Operations, down
through various Managers and Line Supervisors to the
technicians. The same techs fix problems on all
services. They typically did have compartmentalization
though, but it was a Data Shop, a Switch Tech, a Carrier
Tech, a Radio Tech, and Testboard Techs that worked
Inside Plant, while Outside Plant was pretty much a
single group (the guys with a truck... who climbed
poles), though there might be a distinction between
people who install new circuits and those who do
repair work.

You just don't see those distinction from outside the
industy, and the only normal contact any customer has is
with Sales or Marketing. They never talk to Operations
unless they are also a telecom company.

I don't really understand what you're saying. People who call support
for repair services are outside the industry, and they call separate
numbers depending on whether they are business or residential. Those
departments are completely separate, and no techs work in both. The
reason for all this should be obvious: when a business goes down, it
costs them money, sometimes a great deal of money. When a residence
goes down, it's merely an inconvenience. Business repairs are much
quicker, and that has always been my experience as a customer on both
ends. In fact, when talking to a Cox cable technician recently, he
told me exactly the same thing - completely separate departments, and
all techs worked in one or the other.

But again, I am talking about larger cities with larger providers.

On 6/6/2017 1:16 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

When systems go down, business phones get priority in repair.(at least
in theory.)

Go to an appropriate source, and look up the difference between theory
an practice. Here on the Isle of Long, when power goes out, power
restoration is prioritized, in theory.

everything is prioritized. to not do so is foolish.

From that last statement, we can conclude that according to nospam,
nobody is foolish.

you certainly are.


yep! Trying to have a rational discussion with you, certainly is.


--
PeterN

Bill W wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jun 2017 03:36:35 -0800, (Floyd L.
Davidson) wrote:

Bill W wrote:

I knew several people in the telecom industry in Chicago, and they
were in the industry for at least 40 years at various companies. The
business and residential repair sides *never* mixed.

That is true in the respect that Sales and Marketing
both would have a very clearly defined separation.

Plant Operation does not have the same schism, there is
only one line of command from the VP of Operations, down
through various Managers and Line Supervisors to the
technicians. The same techs fix problems on all
services. They typically did have compartmentalization
though, but it was a Data Shop, a Switch Tech, a Carrier
Tech, a Radio Tech, and Testboard Techs that worked
Inside Plant, while Outside Plant was pretty much a
single group (the guys with a truck... who climbed
poles), though there might be a distinction between
people who install new circuits and those who do
repair work.

You just don't see those distinction from outside the
industy, and the only normal contact any customer has is
with Sales or Marketing. They never talk to Operations
unless they are also a telecom company.

I don't really understand what you're saying. People who call support
for repair services are outside the industry, and they call separate
numbers depending on whether they are business or residential. Those
departments are completely separate, and no techs work in both.

No technicians work in either! Techs work in Plant Operations.

The
reason for all this should be obvious: when a business goes down, it
costs them money, sometimes a great deal of money. When a residence
goes down, it's merely an inconvenience. Business repairs are much
quicker, and that has always been my experience as a customer on both
ends. In fact, when talking to a Cox cable technician recently, he
told me exactly the same thing - completely separate departments, and
all techs worked in one or the other.

Business phones are not more important than the residential phones that
call them. The Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) has always
worked on the basis of universal service. There is no point unless
there is a phone under ever rock and hung on every tree. Each of them
is just as important to the overall result as any of the others.

But again, I am talking about larger cities with larger providers.

It works exactly the same. Seattle, or Podunk Hollar.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/
Utqiagvik (Barrow, Alaska)