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Old July 16th 07, 01:14 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Hi,
Several dealers in Uk are not able currently to supply the above camera and
UKDigital are showing it as discontinued.
Has anyone heard anything about a possible upgrading, and if so what are the
new specs?

Billy


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Old July 17th 07, 03:06 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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"Billyboy" wrote in message
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Hi,
Several dealers in Uk are not able currently to supply the above camera
and
UKDigital are showing it as discontinued.
Has anyone heard anything about a possible upgrading, and if so what are
the
new specs?

Billy


September would be about right. The FZ's tend to come out about that time. I
hope the new one is better than the **** FZ50.

Somebody!

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Old July 17th 07, 07:02 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:14:08 -0700
Jeff Burke wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:06:15 -0700, "Somebody"
wrote:
September would be about right. The FZ's tend to come out about that
time. I hope the new one is better than the **** FZ50.


It won't get any better until they use a much larger sensor.


A larger sensor in the same package means cutting the effective zoom
way back. There have been a few cameras that have tried that. I
have no idea how well they've sold.

I think they should keep about the same sensor size and drop the
pixel count down to 6Mp or so, where the FZ30 should have been.
The package is very nice. It just needs to go on a pixel diet.
Fat chance they'll listen to me. :-)

Paul Allen
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Old July 17th 07, 07:10 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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"Jeff Burke" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:06:15 -0700, "Somebody" wrote:
September would be about right. The FZ's tend to come out about that time.
I
hope the new one is better than the **** FZ50.


It won't get any better until they use a much larger sensor.



That isn't going to happen. They don't feel people would want a dSLR sized
camera that wasn't a dSLR. Stupid assumption of you ask me. The FZ20 and 30
are fantastic cameras. The high noise and extremely poor noise reduction
make the FZ50 totally unacceptable, at least for anyone that cares about
their images.

Somebody!

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Old July 17th 07, 07:12 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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"Paul Allen" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:14:08 -0700
Jeff Burke wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:06:15 -0700, "Somebody"
wrote:
September would be about right. The FZ's tend to come out about that
time. I hope the new one is better than the **** FZ50.


It won't get any better until they use a much larger sensor.


A larger sensor in the same package means cutting the effective zoom
way back. There have been a few cameras that have tried that. I
have no idea how well they've sold.

I think they should keep about the same sensor size and drop the
pixel count down to 6Mp or so, where the FZ30 should have been.
The package is very nice. It just needs to go on a pixel diet.
Fat chance they'll listen to me. :-)

Paul Allen



No a dSLR size would be fine by me for the larger sensor. In fact I would
junk my Pentax K10D for a Panasonic FZ60 that offered the larger sensor, 12X
Leica lens and 10MP.

Somebody!

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Old July 17th 07, 11:26 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Jeff Burke wrote in
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:06:15 -0700, "Somebody"
wrote:
September would be about right. The FZ's tend to come out about that
time. I hope the new one is better than the **** FZ50.


It won't get any better until they use a much larger sensor.


In which case you can forget about having a sharp, fast, 12x zoom in a
lightweight, affordable camera. There's a reason for the small sensor.

And the Venus engine doesn't do the sensor justice. The RAW data is about
as good as one can expect from a sensor this small at low ISOs. Quantum
efficiency is good, and read noise is lower than many DSLRs.

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John P Sheehy

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Old July 17th 07, 11:28 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Paul Allen wrote in
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:14:08 -0700
Jeff Burke wrote:


I think they should keep about the same sensor size and drop the
pixel count down to 6Mp or so, where the FZ30 should have been.
The package is very nice. It just needs to go on a pixel diet.
Fat chance they'll listen to me. :-)


They shouldn't listen to you. Smaller pixels will give no major
improvement in image quality; only in pixel quality.

What they need to do is stop damaging the output with heavy-handed noise
reduction.

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John P Sheehy

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Old July 17th 07, 11:33 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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"Somebody" wrote in
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No a dSLR size would be fine by me for the larger sensor. In fact I
would junk my Pentax K10D for a Panasonic FZ60 that offered the larger
sensor, 12X Leica lens and 10MP.


There is no lens available for DSLRs with 12x zoom at a constant f/2.8 and
sharpness throughout the range, with IS. Why do you think it would
suddenly be possible with a non-interchangeable lens?

APS-sensor compacts are only going to work with fixed focal length or
narrow zoom ranges.

--


John P Sheehy

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Old July 18th 07, 12:52 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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"John Sheehy" wrote in message
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Paul Allen wrote in
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:14:08 -0700
Jeff Burke wrote:


I think they should keep about the same sensor size and drop the
pixel count down to 6Mp or so, where the FZ30 should have been.
The package is very nice. It just needs to go on a pixel diet.
Fat chance they'll listen to me. :-)


They shouldn't listen to you. Smaller pixels will give no major
improvement in image quality; only in pixel quality.

What they need to do is stop damaging the output with heavy-handed noise
reduction.

--


John P Sheehy



Who said anything about smaller pixels. He said drop the resolution to 6MP
that means fewer sensors points on the chip and that does make a difference
in noise.

Somebody!

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Old July 18th 07, 12:56 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Somebody
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"John Sheehy" wrote in message
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"Somebody" wrote in
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No a dSLR size would be fine by me for the larger sensor. In fact I
would junk my Pentax K10D for a Panasonic FZ60 that offered the larger
sensor, 12X Leica lens and 10MP.


There is no lens available for DSLRs with 12x zoom at a constant f/2.8 and
sharpness throughout the range, with IS. Why do you think it would
suddenly be possible with a non-interchangeable lens?

APS-sensor compacts are only going to work with fixed focal length or
narrow zoom ranges.

--


John P Sheehy



There are several options for a 12X or higher zoom for dSLR's. Now the cost
of these lenses are in the thousands. But, they are available. National
Geographic photographers use them all of the time. You need to do some
checking before you comment this is the second time you have said something
that wasn't correct.

As for a dSLR sized sensor that would allow for less noise and higher ISO's
just like it does for dSLR cameras. Sure the FZ60 or whatever that did this
would end up being a much larger camera because of the sensor change which
means a larger lens, but it is doable. The problem is most camera makers do
not feel that consumers would want such a thing and I think they are totally
wrong.

Oh, the camera would aslo cost more. Probably between $1200 to $1500 about
what it costs for a good dSLR and high end zoom lens.

Somebody!

 




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