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Leica M
Minolta Man wrote:
Their current lineup is the M6 and M7.. Wrong. The current models are MP and M7. The M6 has not been produced for more than a year. |
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Leica M
Wrong. The current models are MP and M7. The M6 has not been produced for more than a year. Shame too because the MP is a step backward. The metering in the M6 was very nice-too bad they didn't retain it (an improvement) and go back to the hogged-out top rather than the diecast pot metal-for those prices they could have used Inconel or Rene 41-and the older cassette engagement to allow for use of the superior no-felt reloadable cassette. I do think the new range/viewfinder magnification is nice. |
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Shame too because the MP is a step backward.
It is none the worse for that. There is clearly a market for a simple camera made to old-fashioned standards of workmanship. And one that is not dependent on a battery for operation - the battery is only there for metering. The M6 was an otherwise all mechanical camera that had TTL metering. If the meter or battery failed you still had all the traditional Leica functionality. The MP doesn't have any metering and has the older awkward rewind knob. The M7 is an electronic camera, might as well have bought a Hexar, if the rengefinder coupled up properly, which people are now saying it did. If the battery or micro fails you have, I think, one default shutter speed. |
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Leica M
(Ted Azito) wrote:
The M6 was an otherwise all mechanical camera that had TTL metering. If the meter or battery failed you still had all the traditional Leica functionality. The MP doesn't have any metering and has the older awkward rewind knob. Nonsense! The MP has the same TTL light meter as the M6. However, it does not have the TTL auto flash metering of the M6 TTL. http://www.leica-camera.com/produkte...t/index_e.html As for the rewind knob, most MP users will be happy with it. But you can fit a rewind crank that is similar to that of the M6/M7. |
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Very informative post. Tell us more about this keychain battery holder,
sounds kinda cool. John "Roger" wrote in message ... Ted, I suspect you have a couple of points confused here. The M6 was offered in two versions. The first, what is now known as the M6 Classic, offered ttl exposure metering only. It had two LEDs in the VF to indicate correct exposure setting and the brightness of the LEDs indicated exact or +/- .5ev settings. The second was marketed as the "M6 TTL" for labeling distinction. It was about 2mm taller than the M6 and offered ttl exposure metering and TTL flash exposure metering. IIRC the meter indication was three LEDs. The MP is a bit "retro" and is styled much more like the M3 series. However it does have a ttl exposure system with LED readouts, but it does not have the TTL flash metering system. The MP also includes some viewfinder corrections that plagued the M6 series. The loss of the rewind crank is seen as a big improvement by some. I had a M3 and learned to rewind the film quite quickly, but you had to keep a finger in constant contact with the raised knob. On the MP, there is a very adequate brake on the rewind knob so it doesn't backlash if a finger slips off the knurled knob. There are horror stories of the angled rewind knob on the M4/M6 series getting knocked off during brutal usage. That's not going to happen with the MP. There are also accessory and aftermarket third party cranks available if you can't get the hang of the "default" rewind knob. The M7 is a big departure from the more traditional and strictly functional designs of the MP/M6. The camera retains the time-tested shutter design but adds electronic timing in addition to the basic mechanical timing. You now have intermediate shutter speeds available in automatic electronic mode and a fully mechanical choice in manual mode. The viewfinder display contains more information than just exposure and focus/framing. With the electronic timing the camera can be coupled to compatible strobes to offer a much higher effective flash synchronization speed. The batteries are, btw, quite compact and long lasting and I have a gizmo for my key chain that carries a couple. I've never had a battery quit in the field on my M6 Classic. Regards, Roger On 15 Jun 2004 16:02:56 -0700, (Ted Azito) wrote: Shame too because the MP is a step backward. It is none the worse for that. There is clearly a market for a simple camera made to old-fashioned standards of workmanship. And one that is not dependent on a battery for operation - the battery is only there for metering. The M6 was an otherwise all mechanical camera that had TTL metering. If the meter or battery failed you still had all the traditional Leica functionality. The MP doesn't have any metering and has the older awkward rewind knob. The M7 is an electronic camera, might as well have bought a Hexar, if the rengefinder coupled up properly, which people are now saying it did. If the battery or micro fails you have, I think, one default shutter speed. |
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Subject: Leica M
From: (Ted Azito) Date: Tue, Jun 15, 2004 7:02 PM Message-id: Shame too because the MP is a step backward. It is none the worse for that. There is clearly a market for a simple camera made to old-fashioned standards of workmanship. And one that is not dependent on a battery for operation - the battery is only there for metering. The M6 was an otherwise all mechanical camera that had TTL metering. If the meter or battery failed you still had all the traditional Leica functionality. The MP doesn't have any metering SNIP Are you sure about this? Doesn't the MP have exposure metering if not TTL flash metering? Check out my photos at "LEWISVISION": http://members.aol.com/Lewisvisn/home.htm Remove "nospam" to reply ***DUE TO SPAM, I NOW BLOCK ALL E-MAIL NOT ON MY LIST, TO BE ADDED TO MY LIST, PING ME ON THE NEWSGROUP. SORRY FOR THE INCONVENIENCE. :-) *** |
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Leica M
We're both wrong. The M7:
Shutter Horizontally running, rubberized cloth focal plane shutter. Extremely quiet. Controlled electronically, plus two mechanically-set shutter speeds : 1/60 s and 1/125 s. Shutter speeds stepless from 32 s to 1/1000 s in the ‘AUTO' automatic shutter speed control mode. In the manual mode, from 4 s to 1/1000 s in full steps, plus ‘B' for time exposures of any length. Flash synch speed 1/50 s. Shutter release Three stages: energizing – metered exposure value storage – release. Release button has an integrated thread for standard cable releases. The MP: Exposure metering through the lens (TTL), selectively with working aperture. 'Metering principle' The light reflected from a measuring field in the center of the first shutter curtain is measured. The measuring field has a diameter of 12mm and is therefore equal to approx. 13% of the total negative format or in the viewfinder approx. 1/2 of the short side of the valid viewfinder frame. 'Measuring range' (at ISO100/21°) From 0.03 cd/m2 to 125,000 cd/m2 at room temperature, normal humidity and aperture 1.0. For ISO 100/21° this corresponds to EV -2 to EV 20 or f/1.0 and 4 s ("B" setting) to f/32 and 1/1000 s. Flashing of the left-hand triangular LED in the viewfinder indicates working in conditions of low light. Film speed setting range Manual setting from ISO 6/9° to ISO 6400/39°. 'Exposure mode' Manual setting of shutter speed and aperture, compensation using LED light balance. From Leica Camera's web site (I still want to say Leitz...) I didn't see the characteristic M6 battery port on the MP's front, it's there. TTL flash is overrated IMO but can be useful sometimes. I don't like proprietary flashes, I've never used anything but Vivitar 281/283s and the vintage Honeywell potato mashers that still work well if you replace the nicads and the caps. (Ed Romney's books have paid themselves off nicely for that alone.) I was going by what I'd read on the third party web pages and should have checked Leica's web site, which is awkward IMO, but that's no excuse. I stand my ground on the rewind isssue though: the angled one works better. I also think getting rid of the no-felt, infinitely reusable cassette was a big error. I have never bought B&W film in anything but 100 foot rolls for at least 20 years. |
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traditional Leica
functionality. The MP doesn't have any metering SNIP Are you sure about this? Doesn't the MP have exposure metering if not TTL flash metering? BRBR That misstatement was corrected earlier,--the Leica MP has a meter in it. It is internally very similar to the M6,--mechanical shutter w/ TTL metering. The M7 has a similar shutter to the Nikon F3,--electromagnetic release and electronic with only two backup mechanical speeds. dan |
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Subject: Leica M
From: (EDGY01) Date: Wed, Jun 16, 2004 10:44 PM Message-id: traditional Leica functionality. The MP doesn't have any metering SNIP Are you sure about this? Doesn't the MP have exposure metering if not TTL flash metering? That misstatement was corrected earlier,--the Leica MP has a meter in it. It is internally very similar to the M6,--mechanical shutter w/ TTL metering. The M7 has a similar shutter to the Nikon F3,--electromagnetic release and electronic with only two backup mechanical speeds. dan Thanks Dan :-). Check out my photos at "LEWISVISION": http://members.aol.com/Lewisvisn/home.htm Remove "nospam" to reply ***DUE TO SPAM, I NOW BLOCK ALL E-MAIL NOT ON MY LIST, TO BE ADDED TO MY LIST, PING ME ON THE NEWSGROUP. SORRY FOR THE INCONVENIENCE. :-) *** |
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