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Old September 16th 04, 08:56 PM
Alexander Zuev
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In article ,
says...
Since you're all asleep, I figure I'll do the generous thing:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04091605nikond2x.asp

1.5x crop - whatever, follows what Nikon said they would do.
Interesting to see if they keep the noise down and what the Canon
response will be.


And they limited sensitivity to ISO 800 just for fun and not because
high noise level makes faster ISOs unusable. Right. How dumb I am to
think about noise.
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Old September 16th 04, 08:56 PM
Alexander Zuev
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In article ,
says...
Since you're all asleep, I figure I'll do the generous thing:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04091605nikond2x.asp

1.5x crop - whatever, follows what Nikon said they would do.
Interesting to see if they keep the noise down and what the Canon
response will be.


And they limited sensitivity to ISO 800 just for fun and not because
high noise level makes faster ISOs unusable. Right. How dumb I am to
think about noise.
  #23  
Old September 16th 04, 09:06 PM
Wesley Jansen
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Oh, and of course Canon has never stooped to such a thing! You are so full
of it.

"bayydogg" wrote in message
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nikon has a way to promote a deficiency, so kudos to them for making
something negative look positive. there probably was no way nikon
could squeeze 8fps from a 12.4mp camera, and they know they need 8fps
to satisfy the sports market. so, nikon engineers/pr people get
together and develop some scheme. in this case, lower the mp and boost
the speed and not tell anybody that it's actually a deficiency that
canon will probably be able to do.

when the n90s first came out, nikon made a big deal out of keeping
focus on the main subject, even if something momentarily crossed its
path. well, i surmised that the AF was too slow to even realize
something crossed its path, and the nikon pr dept turned around this
deficiency.

there are probably several other instances where nikon pr turned
things around.



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Old September 16th 04, 09:15 PM
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Gisle Hannemyr wrote:

"J Zawrotny" writes:
I'm quite curious as to how the wireless connectivity is going to
pan out. Could be an added power-drain, but how great would it be
to finish firing the last frame of a shoot and have all your photos
already sitting on your PC?


That would be nice - but a bit of an overkill?

This feature is squarely aimed at newspapers that have their PJs out
"in the field" covering breaking news or scheduled sports events. With
the improved wireless connectivity, they can have the image at their
picture desk only seconds after the PJ has pressed the shutter.


One scary thought about that. If the editor is then the sole individual who
chooses the images, is there really much need for talent from the
photojournalist? Many news events could almost be covered in a sweeping and
careless P&S manner, letting the editor figure it all out at the office.

I suppose another potential future development would be a remote wireless
shutter for the editor as well. That way the photojournalist on location
merely points the camera, but the editor chooses when to fire the shutter.

This is turning news still imagery into the model adopted by video news.
Quite often video sourced motion imagery is fed directly by uplink. Often
there is also taped video, or direct to hard drive on newer cameras, and
still some need of editing. Anyway, the scary part about video is that the
skill of the operator was seen as less of a requirement by some management,
and at some places has become a least common denominator service position,
with a questionable future.

Ciao!

Gordon Moat
A G Studio
http://www.allgstudio.com/gallery.html Updated!

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Old September 16th 04, 09:15 PM
Gordon Moat
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Gisle Hannemyr wrote:

"J Zawrotny" writes:
I'm quite curious as to how the wireless connectivity is going to
pan out. Could be an added power-drain, but how great would it be
to finish firing the last frame of a shoot and have all your photos
already sitting on your PC?


That would be nice - but a bit of an overkill?

This feature is squarely aimed at newspapers that have their PJs out
"in the field" covering breaking news or scheduled sports events. With
the improved wireless connectivity, they can have the image at their
picture desk only seconds after the PJ has pressed the shutter.


One scary thought about that. If the editor is then the sole individual who
chooses the images, is there really much need for talent from the
photojournalist? Many news events could almost be covered in a sweeping and
careless P&S manner, letting the editor figure it all out at the office.

I suppose another potential future development would be a remote wireless
shutter for the editor as well. That way the photojournalist on location
merely points the camera, but the editor chooses when to fire the shutter.

This is turning news still imagery into the model adopted by video news.
Quite often video sourced motion imagery is fed directly by uplink. Often
there is also taped video, or direct to hard drive on newer cameras, and
still some need of editing. Anyway, the scary part about video is that the
skill of the operator was seen as less of a requirement by some management,
and at some places has become a least common denominator service position,
with a questionable future.

Ciao!

Gordon Moat
A G Studio
http://www.allgstudio.com/gallery.html Updated!

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Old September 16th 04, 09:15 PM
Gordon Moat
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Gisle Hannemyr wrote:

"J Zawrotny" writes:
I'm quite curious as to how the wireless connectivity is going to
pan out. Could be an added power-drain, but how great would it be
to finish firing the last frame of a shoot and have all your photos
already sitting on your PC?


That would be nice - but a bit of an overkill?

This feature is squarely aimed at newspapers that have their PJs out
"in the field" covering breaking news or scheduled sports events. With
the improved wireless connectivity, they can have the image at their
picture desk only seconds after the PJ has pressed the shutter.


One scary thought about that. If the editor is then the sole individual who
chooses the images, is there really much need for talent from the
photojournalist? Many news events could almost be covered in a sweeping and
careless P&S manner, letting the editor figure it all out at the office.

I suppose another potential future development would be a remote wireless
shutter for the editor as well. That way the photojournalist on location
merely points the camera, but the editor chooses when to fire the shutter.

This is turning news still imagery into the model adopted by video news.
Quite often video sourced motion imagery is fed directly by uplink. Often
there is also taped video, or direct to hard drive on newer cameras, and
still some need of editing. Anyway, the scary part about video is that the
skill of the operator was seen as less of a requirement by some management,
and at some places has become a least common denominator service position,
with a questionable future.

Ciao!

Gordon Moat
A G Studio
http://www.allgstudio.com/gallery.html Updated!

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Old September 16th 04, 09:44 PM
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Gordon Moat wrote:


One scary thought about that. If the editor is then the sole individual who
chooses the images, is there really much need for talent from the
photojournalist? Many news events could almost be covered in a sweeping and
careless P&S manner, letting the editor figure it all out at the office.

I suppose another potential future development would be a remote wireless
shutter for the editor as well. That way the photojournalist on location
merely points the camera, but the editor chooses when to fire the shutter.



No reason for all that. A lot of press conferences etc are held in fixed
locations. How hard would it be to just feed the video feed to an editor?
It's not just PJ but any event photography held at a fixed location.
Consider turning a church into one big photo booth. Intially you just pick
the angles that are important and cover them with video cameras. Eventually
you could cover every inch of the place with cameras. The things are only
getting cheaper and storage is basically free. Instead of paying a wedding
photographer the couple would pay a lower amount to the church. Some
churches might even ban photographers and require the couple to buy thier
service. Then the editor is replaced by an expert system and allowing the
couple to scan the tape for interesting images. The only thing stopping this
now is the cost of the hardware.

Nick
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Old September 16th 04, 09:44 PM
Nick Zentena
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Gordon Moat wrote:


One scary thought about that. If the editor is then the sole individual who
chooses the images, is there really much need for talent from the
photojournalist? Many news events could almost be covered in a sweeping and
careless P&S manner, letting the editor figure it all out at the office.

I suppose another potential future development would be a remote wireless
shutter for the editor as well. That way the photojournalist on location
merely points the camera, but the editor chooses when to fire the shutter.



No reason for all that. A lot of press conferences etc are held in fixed
locations. How hard would it be to just feed the video feed to an editor?
It's not just PJ but any event photography held at a fixed location.
Consider turning a church into one big photo booth. Intially you just pick
the angles that are important and cover them with video cameras. Eventually
you could cover every inch of the place with cameras. The things are only
getting cheaper and storage is basically free. Instead of paying a wedding
photographer the couple would pay a lower amount to the church. Some
churches might even ban photographers and require the couple to buy thier
service. Then the editor is replaced by an expert system and allowing the
couple to scan the tape for interesting images. The only thing stopping this
now is the cost of the hardware.

Nick
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Old September 16th 04, 09:44 PM
Nick Zentena
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Gordon Moat wrote:


One scary thought about that. If the editor is then the sole individual who
chooses the images, is there really much need for talent from the
photojournalist? Many news events could almost be covered in a sweeping and
careless P&S manner, letting the editor figure it all out at the office.

I suppose another potential future development would be a remote wireless
shutter for the editor as well. That way the photojournalist on location
merely points the camera, but the editor chooses when to fire the shutter.



No reason for all that. A lot of press conferences etc are held in fixed
locations. How hard would it be to just feed the video feed to an editor?
It's not just PJ but any event photography held at a fixed location.
Consider turning a church into one big photo booth. Intially you just pick
the angles that are important and cover them with video cameras. Eventually
you could cover every inch of the place with cameras. The things are only
getting cheaper and storage is basically free. Instead of paying a wedding
photographer the couple would pay a lower amount to the church. Some
churches might even ban photographers and require the couple to buy thier
service. Then the editor is replaced by an expert system and allowing the
couple to scan the tape for interesting images. The only thing stopping this
now is the cost of the hardware.

Nick
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Old September 16th 04, 10:45 PM
William Graham
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"bayydogg" wrote in message
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nikon has a way to promote a deficiency, so kudos to them for making
something negative look positive. there probably was no way nikon
could squeeze 8fps from a 12.4mp camera, and they know they need 8fps
to satisfy the sports market. so, nikon engineers/pr people get
together and develop some scheme. in this case, lower the mp and boost
the speed and not tell anybody that it's actually a deficiency that
canon will probably be able to do.


But why is this a, "deficiency"? - If the state of electronics today isn't
good enough to give you an 8 frames per second camera at 12 megapixels, then
why not build a camera that will give you each at the expense of the other?
When the electronics gets fast enough, I'm sure that both Nikon and Canon
will build cameras that take advantage of it........


 




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