Real photos of Highway 17 and Skyline in the Santa Cruz Mountains this week

On 2/12/17 5:23 PM, Stijn De Jong wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:59:50 -0800, Savageduck wrote:

...and yet in parts of the Central and Salinas Valleys, and some
of the Central and Southern California Counties, agriculture has
sucked up so much ground water it will take years to replenish via
perculation, so there the drought persists even with the surface
being wet

It's my understanding that agriculture takes up 85% of California
water. Of course, they don't advertise that. What they advertise on
all the road signs is to conserve water at home. Yet all the homes in
California only take about 15% of the water. And, we're already
conserving like hell.

Yet, we have to pay for road signs to tell us to conserve water while
we're driving.

It's a political farce.

A quick search. Public Policy Institute of California.
http://www.ppic.org/main/publication_show.asp?i=1108

On 2/12/2017 4:12 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

Why people in vans even think to attempt a crossing is beyond me.
http://i.cubeupload.com/HPg6Xo.jpg

i doubt he was attempting to cross it. more likely he was not paying
any attention and only realized it when it was too late.

Said with your usual knowledge of the facts:

since you claim to have the facts, what was the driver's intention?

was he texting? did his brakes fail? were his tires bald?

or did he think he was evel knievel?

we await the answers.


Exactly where did I make a positive statement of fact, other than my
observation about your knowledge of the facts that support your
conclusion. But then just another attempt at a twist.

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PeterN

On 2/12/2017 4:29 PM, android wrote:
On 2017-02-12 22:06:08 +0100, PeterN said:

On 2/12/2017 2:48 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-02-12 19:42:26 +0000, said:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 18:27:18 +0000 (UTC), Stijn De Jong
wrote:

These are real photos taken this very week of what's going on in the
mountains where Jeff Liebermann lives due to the Pineapple Express
dropping
unheard of rain in California (drought my ass!).

Highway 17 landslide turns car over, blocks both lanes, and cleanup
crew
killed. http://i.cubeupload.com/VD5wTr.jpg

Hole in Skyline along the crest of the mountain ridge above the San
Andreas
Fault opened up this week.
http://i.cubeupload.com/Q9zsF5.jpg

Why people in vans even think to attempt a crossing is beyond me.
http://i.cubeupload.com/HPg6Xo.jpg

No middle ground there? Flood or drought, it seems.

Add earthquake, fire, and landslides.

Three of the reasons my wife would not consider a move there. Although
she hate cold weather, she would sooner put up with an occasional snow
in.

Updated daily, more or less:

http://www.smhi.se/vadret/vadret-i-sverige/snodjup

Även om Sverige är ett vackert land, var det inte anges som en plats som
vi skulle överväga att flytta till. (Jag hoppas att min mening var inte
förlorat i översättningen.)

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PeterN

On 2/12/2017 6:07 PM, nospam wrote:
In article 2017021213462516616-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:

No middle ground there? Flood or drought, it seems.

Add earthquake, fire, and landslides.

No hurricanes?

in california, anything worse than a light drizzle is considered to be
a hurricane forcing people to run for cover.

Eastern myth.

not at all. it's actual experience.

Obviously not yours.

yes mine. i lived in california for many years and still visit a lot.

a little bit of rain and people there start freaking out. i could tell
what the weather was from traffic reports due to all of the collisions.
lots of collisions and it's raining. few and it's sunny.

Oh, like the collisions in winter storms in the Mid-West and the East?

not due to rain, but in blizzards, sure.

a blizzard in san francisco would cause massive fatalities.

the difference is that the threshold for '****ty weather' in california
is rain, whereas in the midwest and east, it's a blizzard.

rain and even light snow doesn't slow anyone down in the east or
midwest, but in california, where they don't know what to do, all hell
breaks loose when it's not sunny and dry. they don't realize that
braking distances increase and visibility is lower, ending up slamming
into things, especially since california doesn't check for bald tires
or brake wear.

I would not like to be on or near any road that you are driving on.


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PeterN

On 2/12/2017 6:28 PM, RichA wrote:
On Sunday, 12 February 2017 16:46:32 UTC-5, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-02-12 21:12:04 +0000, nospam said:

In article 201702121236396249-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck
wrote:

No middle ground there? Flood or drought, it seems.

Add earthquake, fire, and landslides.

No hurricanes?

in california, anything worse than a light drizzle is considered to be
a hurricane forcing people to run for cover.

Eastern myth.

not at all. it's actual experience.

Obviously not yours.

a little bit of rain and people there start freaking out. i could tell
what the weather was from traffic reports due to all of the collisions.
lots of collisions and it's raining. few and it's sunny.

Oh, like the collisions in winter storms in the Mid-West and the East?

It takes dummies about 3-4 snow storms to learn how to drive in it. Every year...


Looks like it takes nospam longer. But the, we don't even know if it is
old enough to drive.

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PeterN

In article , PeterN
wrote:


I would not like to be on or near any road that you are driving on.

you have been, and on numerous occasions.

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 23:23:02 +0000 (UTC), Stijn De Jong
wrote:

The overturned car was apparently pushed to the other lanes and flipped
over by the onrushing landslide. At least that's how I understood the news
to state. The guy was unhurt who was driving the overturned car.

Is that your understanding also?

Yep.
http://www.ktvu.com/news/234511700-story
The mudslide also shoved the over the center divider. Bad timing, I
guess.

Why people in vans even think to attempt a crossing is beyond me.
http://i.cubeupload.com/HPg6Xo.jpg
The photo, I know, is real; but it looks photoshopped.

It's real, judging by the number of photos shot from different angles.
http://www.ksbw.com/article/van-crashes-into-giant-gap-in-santa-cruz-mountains/8693694
Fake photos usually are singles.

Despite traveling as much as anyone, I've never had an accident in these
mountains.

Same here. Well, maybe if you don't include backing up into cars,
trees, poles, hillsides, ditches, etc.

I just don't understand how anyone can fall into that hole,
unless they were parked over it when it happened.

Possibly speeding. Look at the photo at:
http://hips.htvapps.com/htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/images/van4-1486694623.jpg?crop=0.998xw:1.00xh;0.00173xw,0&res ize=4500:*
Notice how the van has literally plowed into the opposite side of the
gully. If he were going slower, the van would have gone over nose
down, and possibly ended up vertically, or fallen over on its top.
However, I'm guessing. The driver was lucky.

His power was out, so he got candles at the store. He should just have had
a generator, like the rest of us have. The power went out about five or six
times this winter alone, once for 4 or 4 days already.

Mine went out for more than 5 minutes perhaps 4 times. The longest
was about 2 hrs.

The guy moved here from NY city just this week, and Monday was his first
day on the job.

Do people actually drive in New York city? Must have been quite a
change for him.

But, you can't believe anything on California news because everything tends
to the super monstrous liberal, so they distort facts accordingly (e.g., on
the so-called drought).

Facts? We don't do no stinkin facts. This is the land of opinions,
feelings, and progress through meditation.

This is apparently the remains of his SUV, flipped right-side up:
http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-conten.../img_39511.jpg

Kinda makes me want to install an internal roll bar.

I'm trying to figure out where this one is?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4V7UT1UcAASgMk.jpg

No EXIF info and therefore no lat-long.

Is that Skyline?
If so, it looks like it's a good place to put up a bridge.

Judging by slope and the "view", I agree. It's probably Skyline.
See the red and white line at (if Hwy 9 is still closed):
,14z/data=!5m1!1e1

View of the San Lorenzo river just outside my office:
http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/sjm-storm-0208-403.jpg?w=620

Isn't that the same river that washed out Highway 9 last week?

Yes, but that was in Boulder Creek, 15 miles to the north.

I'm not sure what the plastic is supposed to do:
http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/content/k...5_1280x720.jpg

Keep the rain and runoff from further eroding the hillside. However,
it won't do anything for underground rivers and springs.

We have been getting horizontal rain over on the Loma side of things.

I hate when that happens. It ruins my rainfall measurements because
the rain misses the rain gauge.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

In article , Jeff
Liebermann wrote:

The guy moved here from NY city just this week, and Monday was his first
day on the job.

Do people actually drive in New York city?

yes, and rather well. it's the jersey drivers that you have to watch
out for.

Must have been quite a
change for him.

apparently so.

On 2/12/2017 6:22 PM, Stijn De Jong wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 16:02:53 -0500, PeterN wrote:

Note to the Duck: IMHO the posted images are examples of images that
should not be altered in any manner, except possibly some very mild
sharpening.

I think you're implying that these photos were photoshopped, but they
weren't. They appear to be real.

Not at all. In fact I was expressly stating that they should not be
Photoshopped. Your posting came just at the point that the Duck and I
were having a discussion about Photoshopping images. The gist of which
is that he and I shoot for different purposes.



Here's the news story on that photo (kindly provided by Jeff Liebermann)
which has multiple photos easily corroborating that original photo.
http://www.ksbw.com/article/van-cras...ntains/8693694


Or are you insinuating they're all photoshopped by the news media?
http://hips.htvapps.com/htv-prod-med...1486589973.jpg

http://hips.htvapps.com/htv-prod-med...1486693522.jpg

http://hips.htvapps.com/htv-prod-med...1486694623.jpg



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PeterN

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 23:23:05 +0000 (UTC), Stijn De Jong
wrote:

It's my understanding that agriculture takes up 85% of California water.
Of course, they don't advertise that.
What they advertise on all the road signs is to conserve water at home.
Yet all the homes in California only take about 15% of the water.
And, we're already conserving like hell.

http://www.scpr.org/news/2015/04/15/50941/10-things-to-know-about-california-water-use/
"We hear all the time that growers use 80 percent of California's
water. And state officials do say California's 9 million acres of
farmland consume that much. But that's 80 percent of human water
use."

http://www.ppic.org/main/publication_show.asp?i=1108
"Statewide, average water use is roughly 50% environmental,
40% agricultural, and 10% urban..."

Yet, we have to pay for road signs to tell us to conserve water while we're
driving.

It's a conspiracy to make you thirsty so that you'll drop into an
overpriced convenience store for something to drink.

It's a political farce.

Hardly. It's the current reality. Government believes that you need
to be told what to do and what not to do. That's what laws are all
about. You need to be told how to behave because otherwise, you might
go around leaving the water running, or commit some other crime
against the environment. Just salute as you drive by the sign and
you'll be all right.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558