Travel without a camera

On Jun 7, 2017, Whisky-dave wrote
(in ):

On Wednesday, 7 June 2017 13:38:09 UTC+1, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-06-07 09:06:07 +0000, said:

On Tuesday, 6 June 2017 17:50:03 UTC+1, Sandman wrote:
So me and the family went to London over the weekend and I dared myself to
not bring a camera along, using only my iPhone:

http://jonaseklundh.se/pages/Resa_Utan_Kamera

All shot with the iPhone, all edited on the iPhone (or in Photos on the
Mac,
but it's pretty much the same controls).

You didn't take many it seems.

What I did notice which I''ve noticed with my iphone7 is the rather
unpredicable setting the iphone sets regarding aperature, exposure
time, & ISO
Not that I think there's a way of changing them at the time.
examples:-
Apertu F1.8, Exposu 1/1350 s, ISO: 20
Apertu F2.8, Exposu 1/99 s, ISO: 250
Apertu F2.8, Exposu 1/50 s, ISO: 640
Apertu F1.8, Exposu 1/5319 s, ISO: 20

Just use an app such as VSCO, Camera+, or ProCamera.

Well I have camera+ and haven;t found any such settings.

You need to look closer.

They vary from app to app.
With Camera+ tap on the three line menu icon in the bottom right corner and
select the options for "Advanced controls�. Turn on “Always Show�:
“Always display advanced controls for focus, exposure, and white balance�
and “Live exposure�: “Display real-time status for shutter speed and
ISO whenever advanced controls are shown�.
You even have a very nifty EV adjutment to play with.

Then you are given two “Manual Exposure Mode� options; Shutter priority,
and Full manual.

The last is “White Balance Mode�: where you can choose between using WB
presets, or custom kelvin settings.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gm27j94cbxf884l/Filedemo72.png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w92j9vledtffncn/Filedemo71.png


I have longexposure too, you can change the exposure time on that.

But I didn;t think there was an option to change the aperature on an iphone

Only within specific software.

you can focus lock and do think like that but the f no. is fixed at f1.8 and
f2.8 if you have 7+


Any of those will give you all the exposure flexibility you could want
with an iPhone, giving you the capability to select shutter, or
aperture priority, choose an ISO, or stay with auto ISO, or go full
manual.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

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Regards,
Savageduck

On Wed, 07 Jun 2017 17:35:03 +0200, android wrote:

In article , PAS wrote:

On 6/6/2017 1:03 PM, android wrote:
In article ,
Sandman wrote:

Many photos are blown out and it's nowhere near to compete with a full
format
sensor when it comes to dynamic range or ISO
No surprise there. Get a better phone next time you're to renew your
contract:

No, nothing wrong with the performance of the iPhone 7 at all. dxomark
scores don't tell the entire story but the score of the iPhone 7 is so
close to the top score that I defy you to tell the difference with your
eye between the same photo from an iPhone 7 and any Xperia.

perhaps if you into SOOC only... If you BSI and such then that is
something that APPL can't offer and that gives you more to work with in
post.

Wanna have an one inch sensor "in" your iPhone? Then get one of these:

http://www.dxo.com/us/dxo-one

Samples galore he

https://www.flickr.com/groups/dxoone/pool/

THey are quite impressive but, I would like to see some failures also.



https://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles Scores on the right!

I'm still very happy with my Xperia M4, got to love them Ms (pun
intended) as a good pocket instamatic drop in replacement. :-))
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article ,
Eric Stevens wrote:

On Wed, 07 Jun 2017 17:35:03 +0200, android wrote:

In article , PAS wrote:

On 6/6/2017 1:03 PM, android wrote:
In article ,
Sandman wrote:

Many photos are blown out and it's nowhere near to compete with a full
format
sensor when it comes to dynamic range or ISO
No surprise there. Get a better phone next time you're to renew your
contract:

No, nothing wrong with the performance of the iPhone 7 at all. dxomark
scores don't tell the entire story but the score of the iPhone 7 is so
close to the top score that I defy you to tell the difference with your
eye between the same photo from an iPhone 7 and any Xperia.

perhaps if you into SOOC only... If you BSI and such then that is
something that APPL can't offer and that gives you more to work with in
post.

Wanna have an one inch sensor "in" your iPhone? Then get one of these:

http://www.dxo.com/us/dxo-one

Samples galore he

https://www.flickr.com/groups/dxoone/pool/

I don't have one One nor an iPhone, and don't plan to get one so I can't
help you there!

THey are quite impressive but, I would like to see some failures also.



https://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles Scores on the right!

I'm still very happy with my Xperia M4, got to love them Ms (pun
intended) as a good pocket instamatic drop in replacement. :-))
--
teleportation kills

In article ,
RichA wrote:

On Tuesday, 6 June 2017 12:50:03 UTC-4, Sandman wrote:
So me and the family went to London over the weekend and I dared myself to
not bring a camera along, using only my iPhone:

http://jonaseklundh.se/pages/Resa_Utan_Kamera

All shot with the iPhone, all edited on the iPhone (or in Photos on the
Mac,
but it's pretty much the same controls).

Many photos are blown out and it's nowhere near to compete with a full
format
sensor when it comes to dynamic range or ISO, but for shooting touristy
shots
in London, I think it did pretty well, actually. The "depth effect" cheat
is
pretty awesome at faking a short focal range, and the saturation and
contrast
is really good to begin with.

--
Sandman

Blues look a tad "teal" but I liked the atom bomb!

It was supposed to be a secret! Hiding in plain sight... SShhhh.... :-ppp
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teleportation kills

On Jun 8, 2017, Whisky-dave wrote
(in ):

On Wednesday, 7 June 2017 16:56:43 UTC+1, Savageduck wrote:
On Jun 7, 2017, Whisky-dave wrote
(in ):

On Wednesday, 7 June 2017 13:38:09 UTC+1, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-06-07 09:06:07 +0000, said:

On Tuesday, 6 June 2017 17:50:03 UTC+1, Sandman wrote:
So me and the family went to London over the weekend and I dared myself
to
not bring a camera along, using only my iPhone:

http://jonaseklundh.se/pages/Resa_Utan_Kamera

All shot with the iPhone, all edited on the iPhone (or in Photos on the
Mac,
but it's pretty much the same controls).

You didn't take many it seems.

What I did notice which I''ve noticed with my iphone7 is the rather
unpredicable setting the iphone sets regarding aperature, exposure
time, & ISO
Not that I think there's a way of changing them at the time.
examples:-
Apertu F1.8, Exposu 1/1350 s, ISO: 20
Apertu F2.8, Exposu 1/99 s, ISO: 250
Apertu F2.8, Exposu 1/50 s, ISO: 640
Apertu F1.8, Exposu 1/5319 s, ISO: 20

Just use an app such as VSCO, Camera+, or ProCamera.

Well I have camera+ and haven;t found any such settings.

You need to look closer.

They vary from app to app.

But I don;t understand how an app can change teh aperature maybe nospam can
comment as I know someone that writes apps and they say you can't do
something that's not in hardware.

With Camera+ tap on the three line menu icon in the bottom right corner

I don't get that 3 line menu icon.

....and that changes depending on demands yo might make on the app.

My app is called 'camera plus'

That is a different app.
There is “Camera Plus�, “Camera Plus Pro�, and “Camera+�.

and
select the options for "Advanced controls�. Turn on “Always Show�:
“Always display advanced controls for focus, exposure, and white
balance�
and “Live exposure�: “Display real-time status for shutter speed and
ISO whenever advanced controls are shown�.
You even have a very nifty EV adjutment to play with.

I have a Lux slider on mine.


Then you are given two “Manual Exposure Mode� options; Shutter priority,
and Full manual.

What is full manual if you can't change the aperature ?

The last is “White Balance Mode�: where you can choose between using WB
presets, or custom kelvin settings.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gm27j94cbxf884l/Filedemo72.png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w92j9vledtffncn/Filedemo71.png

I need a differnt camera+ plus perhaps.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/camera/id329670577
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/came...photos-remote-
photography/id330803072
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/came...ro/id345752934.

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Regards,
Savageduck

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

Just use an app such as VSCO, Camera+, or ProCamera.

Well I have camera+ and haven;t found any such settings.

You need to look closer.

They vary from app to app.

But I don;t understand how an app can change teh aperature maybe nospam can
comment as I know someone that writes apps and they say you can't do
something that's not in hardware.

With Camera+ tap on the three line menu icon in the bottom right corner

I don't get that 3 line menu icon.
My app is called 'camera plus'

camera plus or camera+ ?

there's a lot of copycat names.

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

With Camera+ tap on the three line menu icon in the bottom right corner

I don't get that 3 line menu icon.
My app is called 'camera plus'

camera plus or camera+ ?

there's a lot of copycat names.

My app (as in the one I have) is called Camera Plus

camera+ is the one to get, although there are others.

I got this app as someone said the video sound quality is better on this
app than on Apples own camera app.

there's no difference, since it's using the same framework.

On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 02:14:19 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Thursday, 8 June 2017 00:02:39 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jun 2017 17:35:03 +0200, android wrote:

In article , PAS wrote:

On 6/6/2017 1:03 PM, android wrote:
In article ,
Sandman wrote:

Many photos are blown out and it's nowhere near to compete with a full
format
sensor when it comes to dynamic range or ISO
No surprise there. Get a better phone next time you're to renew your
contract:

No, nothing wrong with the performance of the iPhone 7 at all. dxomark
scores don't tell the entire story but the score of the iPhone 7 is so
close to the top score that I defy you to tell the difference with your
eye between the same photo from an iPhone 7 and any Xperia.

perhaps if you into SOOC only... If you BSI and such then that is
something that APPL can't offer and that gives you more to work with in
post.

Wanna have an one inch sensor "in" your iPhone? Then get one of these:

http://www.dxo.com/us/dxo-one

Samples galore he

https://www.flickr.com/groups/dxoone/pool/

THey are quite impressive but, I would like to see some failures also.

Why ?, when you by a camera do you lok at the failure shots taken with that camera or of course lens ?

Because I would like to know what the camera can't do, as well as what
it can do.

But maybe you're used to looking at failures having to run a PC ;-)

No failures exactly, but right now I'm having a lovely battle betwee
X-Rite and Dell, although I must give Dell top marks for the
assistance they are bringing to the battle.

--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 5:06:24 AM UTC-4, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 8 June 2017 23:15:23 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 02:14:19 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Thursday, 8 June 2017 00:02:39 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jun 2017 17:35:03 +0200, android wrote:

In article , PAS wrote:

On 6/6/2017 1:03 PM, android wrote:
In article ,
Sandman wrote:

Many photos are blown out and it's nowhere near to compete with a full
format
sensor when it comes to dynamic range or ISO
No surprise there. Get a better phone next time you're to renew your
contract:

No, nothing wrong with the performance of the iPhone 7 at all. dxomark
scores don't tell the entire story but the score of the iPhone 7 is so
close to the top score that I defy you to tell the difference with your
eye between the same photo from an iPhone 7 and any Xperia.

perhaps if you into SOOC only... If you BSI and such then that is
something that APPL can't offer and that gives you more to work with in
post.

Wanna have an one inch sensor "in" your iPhone? Then get one of these:

http://www.dxo.com/us/dxo-one

Samples galore he

https://www.flickr.com/groups/dxoone/pool/

THey are quite impressive but, I would like to see some failures also.

Why ?, when you by a camera do you lok at the failure shots taken with that camera or of course lens ?

Because I would like to know what the camera can't do, as well as what
it can do.

Do canon and nikon and others show you things their cameras can't do ?

Seems a strange request.

YMMV, but it is spot-on AFAIC.

For example, I've talked before about the assessment of dSLR's
for use in underwater photography and how there was a lot of
discussion & hands-on experimentation by the Pros for each
major new product, to learn what worked / what didn't. The
primary example of which (and which motivated me to delay
changing over from film for ~5 years) was how they did poorly
(vs film) in capturing "sunballs" in CFWA compositions.


-hh

On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 10:19:53 AM UTC-4, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Tuesday, 13 June 2017 13:45:56 UTC+1, -hh wrote:
On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 5:06:24 AM UTC-4, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 8 June 2017 23:15:23 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 02:14:19 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Thursday, 8 June 2017 00:02:39 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jun 2017 17:35:03 +0200, android wrote:

In article , PAS wrote:

On 6/6/2017 1:03 PM, android wrote:
In article ,
Sandman wrote:

Many photos are blown out and it's nowhere near to compete with a full
format
sensor when it comes to dynamic range or ISO
No surprise there. Get a better phone next time you're to renew your
contract:

No, nothing wrong with the performance of the iPhone 7 at all. dxomark
scores don't tell the entire story but the score of the iPhone 7 is so
close to the top score that I defy you to tell the difference with your
eye between the same photo from an iPhone 7 and any Xperia.

perhaps if you into SOOC only... If you BSI and such then that is
something that APPL can't offer and that gives you more to work with in
post.

Wanna have an one inch sensor "in" your iPhone? Then get one of these:

http://www.dxo.com/us/dxo-one

Samples galore he

https://www.flickr.com/groups/dxoone/pool/

THey are quite impressive but, I would like to see some failures also.

Why ?, when you by a camera do you lok at the failure shots taken with that camera or of course lens ?

Because I would like to know what the camera can't do, as well as what
it can do.

Do canon and nikon and others show you things their cameras can't do ?

Seems a strange request.

YMMV, but it is spot-on AFAIC.

For example, I've talked before about the assessment of dSLR's
for use in underwater photography and how there was a lot of
discussion & hands-on experimentation by the Pros for each
major new product, to learn what worked / what didn't. The
primary example of which (and which motivated me to delay
changing over from film for ~5 years) was how they did poorly
(vs film) in capturing "sunballs" in CFWA compositions.


But not from the manufacters that is the point and they don't
show how they fail either, it just doesn't happen.

Fair enough that an OEM will avoid admitting to a weakness,
but that's also the consumer-centric power of the Internet:
more opportunities to hear from (hopefully) less biased
independent third parties.

With sufficient public awareness/pressure, OEMs are confronted
with the dilemma of better-informed customers, which can lead
to relevant improvements getting to market (hopefully) sooner.

For example, Canon got a black eye with one of the versions
of the 5D when a bunch of them crapped out on customers in
Antarctica ... Nikons in literally the same boat didn't fail.
Subsequent versions of Canon dSLR's in that class ended up
having more/better waterproofing and Canon's literature made
very deliberate notation of same: it had become harder for
them to try to ignore such design features (shortcomings).

-hh