iOS 11 and macOS High Sierra

So, the photo-related news from yesterdays Apple keynote are pretty slim, but
there were some. No new hardware, but some new ways to use tech that is
already there.

Live Photos is where, when enabled, the iPhone takes a series of full-
resolution shots 1.5 seconds before and after you hit the shutter button.
This was always just a quirky way to save a short video with every still
shot. With iOS11 you will be able to edit this and pick what shot is the
"main" shot. And also, you can change the shutter time, meaning the iPhone
can after the fact make a long exposure from a "normal photo" by
interpolating information from the surrounding 3 seconds of footage. It's a
neat trick to move closer to what you can easily do with a DSLR.

Apple is also doubling down with AR, with a developer API to include
augmented reality elements into any scene, which is seriously cool of course.

--
Sandman

In article ,
Tony Cooper wrote:

On 6 Jun 2017 14:38:45 GMT, Sandman wrote:

So, the photo-related news from yesterdays Apple keynote are pretty slim,
but
there were some. No new hardware, but some new ways to use tech that is
already there.

Live Photos is where, when enabled, the iPhone takes a series of full-
resolution shots 1.5 seconds before and after you hit the shutter button.

What am I missing? I don't follow Apple news, but the above indicates
that the camera function activates before the user of the device knows
he's going to take a photo.

It's good to know that I'm back in your killfile! I can say just about
anything right up in your face and you won't notice. Did that agligator
leave *anything* vital? ;-ppp

In article ,
android wrote:

In article , RJH
wrote:

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1.5s *before* you press - is that some sort of undocumented space-time
shift facility?

Recording the live dump to a 3s cache would not be undoable...
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teleportation kills

On Tue, 06 Jun 2017 11:52:46 -0400, Tony Cooper
wrote:

On 6 Jun 2017 14:38:45 GMT, Sandman wrote:

So, the photo-related news from yesterdays Apple keynote are pretty slim, but
there were some. No new hardware, but some new ways to use tech that is
already there.

Live Photos is where, when enabled, the iPhone takes a series of full-
resolution shots 1.5 seconds before and after you hit the shutter button.

What am I missing? I don't follow Apple news, but the above indicates
that the camera function activates before the user of the device knows
he's going to take a photo.

While it is in that mode it is recording everything all the time but
dumps everything older than 1.5 seconds. When you push the button it
attaches the end of currently saved 1.5 seconds to the beginning of
the next 1.5 seconds thereby giving you a 3 seconds shot.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

Live Photos is where, when enabled, the iPhone takes a series of full-
resolution shots 1.5 seconds before and after you hit the shutter button.

What am I missing? I don't follow Apple news, but the above indicates
that the camera function activates before the user of the device knows
he's going to take a photo.

While it is in that mode it is recording everything all the time but
dumps everything older than 1.5 seconds. When you push the button it
attaches the end of currently saved 1.5 seconds to the beginning of
the next 1.5 seconds thereby giving you a 3 seconds shot.

Gotcha. I didn't know there was a mode, or setting, involved. I
didn't recognize "Live Photos" as being a mode or setting, but I
should have.

Seems like it would run down the battery if one wasn't careful to turn
off Live Photos when not expecting to use it.

there's no reason why it would run down the battery with it on or off.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

Live Photos is where, when enabled, the iPhone takes a series of full-
resolution shots 1.5 seconds before and after you hit the shutter
button.

What am I missing? I don't follow Apple news, but the above indicates
that the camera function activates before the user of the device knows
he's going to take a photo.

While it is in that mode it is recording everything all the time but
dumps everything older than 1.5 seconds. When you push the button it
attaches the end of currently saved 1.5 seconds to the beginning of
the next 1.5 seconds thereby giving you a 3 seconds shot.

Gotcha. I didn't know there was a mode, or setting, involved. I
didn't recognize "Live Photos" as being a mode or setting, but I
should have.

Seems like it would run down the battery if one wasn't careful to turn
off Live Photos when not expecting to use it.

there's no reason why it would run down the battery with it on or off.

So you are saying that "Live View" is not a battery-powered function?
A lit screen is not lit by battery?

what a way to twist things.

i never said anything remotely close to that. have you had a few too
many tonight?

On Tue, 06 Jun 2017 20:57:56 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

Live Photos is where, when enabled, the iPhone takes a series of full-
resolution shots 1.5 seconds before and after you hit the shutter
button.

What am I missing? I don't follow Apple news, but the above indicates
that the camera function activates before the user of the device knows
he's going to take a photo.

While it is in that mode it is recording everything all the time but
dumps everything older than 1.5 seconds. When you push the button it
attaches the end of currently saved 1.5 seconds to the beginning of
the next 1.5 seconds thereby giving you a 3 seconds shot.

Gotcha. I didn't know there was a mode, or setting, involved. I
didn't recognize "Live Photos" as being a mode or setting, but I
should have.

Seems like it would run down the battery if one wasn't careful to turn
off Live Photos when not expecting to use it.

there's no reason why it would run down the battery with it on or off.

So you are saying that "Live View" is not a battery-powered function?
A lit screen is not lit by battery?

what a way to twist things.

i never said anything remotely close to that. have you had a few too
many tonight?

You said "there's no reason why it would run down the battery with it
on or off." That at least implies that either turning on live view
does not draw additional power from the battery or that even when
turned off it continues to draw power from the battery.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

Live Photos is where, when enabled, the iPhone takes a series of
full-resolution shots 1.5 seconds before and after you hit the shutter
button.

What am I missing? I don't follow Apple news, but the above indicates
that the camera function activates before the user of the device knows
he's going to take a photo.

While it is in that mode it is recording everything all the time but
dumps everything older than 1.5 seconds. When you push the button it
attaches the end of currently saved 1.5 seconds to the beginning of
the next 1.5 seconds thereby giving you a 3 seconds shot.

Gotcha. I didn't know there was a mode, or setting, involved. I
didn't recognize "Live Photos" as being a mode or setting, but I
should have.

Seems like it would run down the battery if one wasn't careful to turn
off Live Photos when not expecting to use it.

there's no reason why it would run down the battery with it on or off.

So you are saying that "Live View" is not a battery-powered function?
A lit screen is not lit by battery?

what a way to twist things.

i never said anything remotely close to that. have you had a few too
many tonight?

You said "there's no reason why it would run down the battery with it
on or off." That at least implies that either turning on live view
does not draw additional power from the battery or that even when
turned off it continues to draw power from the battery.

tony's original claim was that with live photos on, it would run down
the battery.

i said that's false. there is no difference whether it's on or off.

tony, needing to argue about *something*, twisted what i said into live
photos being a battery powered function, as is having the display
'lit'.

if anything is lit, it's tony.

*everything* on a phone is a battery powered function. he also got the
name of the feature wrong, calling it live view.

On Wed, 07 Jun 2017 13:11:58 +1200, Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jun 2017 20:57:56 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

Live Photos is where, when enabled, the iPhone takes a series of full-
resolution shots 1.5 seconds before and after you hit the shutter
button.

What am I missing? I don't follow Apple news, but the above indicates
that the camera function activates before the user of the device knows
he's going to take a photo.

While it is in that mode it is recording everything all the time but
dumps everything older than 1.5 seconds. When you push the button it
attaches the end of currently saved 1.5 seconds to the beginning of
the next 1.5 seconds thereby giving you a 3 seconds shot.

Gotcha. I didn't know there was a mode, or setting, involved. I
didn't recognize "Live Photos" as being a mode or setting, but I
should have.

Seems like it would run down the battery if one wasn't careful to turn
off Live Photos when not expecting to use it.

there's no reason why it would run down the battery with it on or off.

So you are saying that "Live View" is not a battery-powered function?
A lit screen is not lit by battery?

what a way to twist things.

i never said anything remotely close to that. have you had a few too
many tonight?

You said "there's no reason why it would run down the battery with it
on or off." That at least implies that either turning on live view
does not draw additional power from the battery or that even when
turned off it continues to draw power from the battery.

The display is on and stays on as soon as you turn the camera on,
whether live photos is active or not. It can't make any real
difference.

In article , Bill W
wrote:

While it is in that mode it is recording everything all the time but
dumps everything older than 1.5 seconds. When you push the button it
attaches the end of currently saved 1.5 seconds to the beginning of
the next 1.5 seconds thereby giving you a 3 seconds shot.

Gotcha. I didn't know there was a mode, or setting, involved. I
didn't recognize "Live Photos" as being a mode or setting, but I
should have.

Seems like it would run down the battery if one wasn't careful to turn
off Live Photos when not expecting to use it.

there's no reason why it would run down the battery with it on or off.

So you are saying that "Live View" is not a battery-powered function?
A lit screen is not lit by battery?

what a way to twist things.

i never said anything remotely close to that. have you had a few too
many tonight?

You said "there's no reason why it would run down the battery with it
on or off." That at least implies that either turning on live view
does not draw additional power from the battery or that even when
turned off it continues to draw power from the battery.

The display is on and stays on as soon as you turn the camera on,
whether live photos is active or not. It can't make any real
difference.

correct.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:



While it is in that mode it is recording everything all the time but
dumps everything older than 1.5 seconds. When you push the button it
attaches the end of currently saved 1.5 seconds to the beginning of
the next 1.5 seconds thereby giving you a 3 seconds shot.

Gotcha. I didn't know there was a mode, or setting, involved. I
didn't recognize "Live Photos" as being a mode or setting, but I
should have.

Seems like it would run down the battery if one wasn't careful to
turn
off Live Photos when not expecting to use it.

there's no reason why it would run down the battery with it on or off.


If Live Photos is a mode that can be turned on or off, it would seem
that this adds battery drain when it is on.

Yes or no?

no.

there is no reason why it would.

So you are saying that "Live View" is not a battery-powered function?
A lit screen is not lit by battery?

what a way to twist things.

i never said anything remotely close to that. have you had a few too
many tonight?

You said "there's no reason why it would run down the battery with it
on or off." That at least implies that either turning on live view
does not draw additional power from the battery or that even when
turned off it continues to draw power from the battery.

tony's original claim was that with live photos on, it would run down
the battery.

It wasn't a "claim". I said it seems it would. Does it?

Yes or no?

that's a claim, and again, no. there is no reason why it would.

i said that's false. there is no difference whether it's on or off.

tony, needing to argue about *something*, twisted what i said into live
photos being a battery powered function, as is having the display
'lit'.

Isn't it?

with rare exception, the display is on whenever you're using the phone,
whether it's live photos or any photos or some other app.

an example of an exception would be when the proximity sensor detects
when the phone is held up to one's head during a phone call, so it will
turn off the display because the display can't be seen, however, the
cellular radios are transmitting which is actually more expensive. it
also has nothing to do with photos.