Adobe goes to hardware!

In article 201407022121277584-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, savageduck1
@{REMOVESPAM}me.com says...

On 2014-07-03 03:35:56 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 17:25:08 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

Adobe has introduced its *Ink* & *Slide*.
A tad expensive at $199, but interesting to say the least.

http://www.adobe.com/products/ink-and-slide.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI4DZpJJ-J4

And then there are these ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEjhzOgx-j8

...but he didn't get to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPY2luzz0aw
http://www.wacom.com/en/us/creative/...reative-stylus

Of course the big difference between all of the various stylii and the
*Ink & Slider* is the promise of CC integration.

The "big difference" is the slide. There's nothing magic about a pen
that makes "CC integration" beneficial unless Adobe has a "killer app"
that works with that pen and only that pen.

In article 2014070218203545878-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
says...

On 2014-07-03 00:55:29 +0000, "J. Clarke" said:

In article 201407020929066727-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, savageduck1
@{REMOVESPAM}me.com says...

On 2014-07-02 15:12:28 +0000, "J. Clarke" said:

In article 2014070207425247747-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
says...

On 2014-07-02 12:25:45 +0000, "J. Clarke" said:

In article 2014070119055496531-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
says...

On 2014-07-02 01:19:48 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 17:25:08 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

Adobe has introduced its *Ink* & *Slide*.
A tad expensive at $199, but interesting to say the least.

http://www.adobe.com/products/ink-and-slide.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI4DZpJJ-J4

WOW!

They are going to sell a lot of those, but I bet a lot of people
discover it is not as easy at looks and give up on them after while.

It is never as easy as it looks. That is going to be best used by a
individuals with skills and a purpose. Others will have to climb the
learning curve to justify their outlay.

Might as well wait for the used ones to show up on eBay.

But will there be used ones? Is it transferable? Since it's tied to an
Adobe account the possibility is there that it won't be.

Oh! I am sure there will be used ones once some folks discover they
never had a need for one in the first place, and now have a $200 thing
sitting on a desk doing nothing.

If Adobe says it's not transferable ebay will not allow it to be listed.

That is a big if. There is nothing stopping you from buying the *Ink &
Slide* from Adobe and selling it. However, the CC account is necessary
for accessing some of the features. Without the CC account it is just a
paperweight.

From what I see it can be linked to any CC account, but that account is
needed for it to work as advertized.

As for the Adobe CC account that can be arranged at any time.

But will Adobe transfer the device from one account to another? If so
how much will they charge?

They don't transfer the account (which are non-transferable). If I own
and use an *ink & Slide* there is nothing stopping me lending that *ink
& Slide* to another CC subscriber who has an iPad and a particular need
to use the device. All he has to do is download the free Adobe iPad
app, and connect to his CC account to have the pen work. The same would
apply to anybody who buys a used one from eBay.

Are you sure that he is not going to get a message "this device is
linked to another account, please buy your own device" or some such?

Highly unlikely.

Perhaps. Adobe had not done hardware before so we do not know how they
will handle it. And remember that they used to charge by the page for
producing PDF files. They have no shortage of greed so don't pretend
that they are incapable of screwing their customers just because their
current system is an improvement over what went before.

The most disturbing thing about this discussion, is your insistence to
find something wrong with this product. Your skepticism is beginning to
smell trollish.

I'm not "trying to find something wrong with the product". I'm pointing
out that buying one on ebay might not be an option. There was a time in
my life when I listed 100 items a week on ebay, so I got my share of
takedown notices, which sometimes come with no explanation at all--I
remember one odd-looking ceramic pot for example that got a notice "this
listing has been removed, DO NOT RELIST this item", and I still have no
idea what the objection was. There's stuff that ebay won't let you list
and others where they make you jump through hoops to prove that you have
a right to sell the item.

I gather that you are not a fan of things Adobe, and that is OK.

You seem to be conflating me with Mayayana, whose very name comes across
to me as a whine.

However, you seem to be ignorant of just how the Creative Cloud
actually works very successfully for those who choose to use it, and
there are thousands of them.

What does the success of Creative Cloud have to do with the prospects
for narrow licensing of Adobe hardware?

Here is a sampling of the work produced in the Creative Cloud community:
https://www.behance.net/search

So what? We aren't talking about the utility of the product, we are
talking about the licensing model. You can't put a piece of hardware on
"the cloud", you have to provide it physically.

On 2014.07.02, 11:06 , Savageduck wrote:
On 2014-07-02 13:33:30 +0000, Alan Browne
said:

On 2014.07.01, 20:25 , Savageduck wrote:
Adobe has introduced its *Ink* & *Slide*.
A tad expensive at $199, but interesting to say the least.

http://www.adobe.com/products/ink-and-slide.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI4DZpJJ-J4

" Creative Cloud membership
Ink & Slide require a Creative Cloud membership for Cloud-connected
capabilities, such as the Pen Tip menu access to Kuler themes, Cloud
Clipboard, and sharing to Behance. A free membership provides access
to these services."

I wouldn't touch this with a 10 foot stylus. That free will become
fee - if not specifically then for access to newly introduced features
down the line.

That remains to be seen. The bait is already out there with the promise
of simple integration with the rest of the CC apps.
Personally I have no need for this tool, but I have no doubt that there
are those in the design & art communities who are already deeply
invested in the full CC Suite, who are going to find this a useful tool.

For me my interest in the CC remains with photography asset management &
post processing, not illustration or design. My pitiful drawing skills
are best left to noodling about with ArtStudio ($4.99) on my iPad.

What if you're traveling and have no internet connection (or not a
fast enough connection)?

I believe that is only going to be an issue for connection with cloud
services, and that would be a problem for any cloud service, be it
Dropbox, Box, iCloud, etc.
For folks traveling to most metropolitan areas they shouldn't have
issues, but hit the Amazon Basin, engage in a trans-Sahara trek, or
check on Arctic ice melt rates and you might find that you need some
other method of dealing with data, or drawing straight lines with your
new Adobe *Ink & Slide*.

Adobe cloud is a honey trap of the worst kind.

That is not necessarily true, if anything the old upgrade treadmill was
worse and far more punitive to the wallet.

Punctually and _optionally_ - CC is a continuous treadmill on a gentle
slope. A rent.


--
I was born a 1%er - I'm just more equal than the rest.

In article , J. Clarke
wrote:

They don't transfer the account (which are non-transferable). If I own
and use an *ink & Slide* there is nothing stopping me lending that *ink
& Slide* to another CC subscriber who has an iPad and a particular need
to use the device. All he has to do is download the free Adobe iPad
app, and connect to his CC account to have the pen work. The same would
apply to anybody who buys a used one from eBay.

Are you sure that he is not going to get a message "this device is
linked to another account, please buy your own device" or some such?

Highly unlikely.

Perhaps. Adobe had not done hardware before so we do not know how they
will handle it. And remember that they used to charge by the page for
producing PDF files. They have no shortage of greed so don't pretend
that they are incapable of screwing their customers just because their
current system is an improvement over what went before.

when did adobe charge by the page???

i've been using pdf since it first came out and do not recall there
*ever* being a charge per page. how could they even enforce that?

The most disturbing thing about this discussion, is your insistence to
find something wrong with this product. Your skepticism is beginning to
smell trollish.

I'm not "trying to find something wrong with the product". I'm pointing
out that buying one on ebay might not be an option. There was a time in
my life when I listed 100 items a week on ebay, so I got my share of
takedown notices, which sometimes come with no explanation at all--I
remember one odd-looking ceramic pot for example that got a notice "this
listing has been removed, DO NOT RELIST this item", and I still have no
idea what the objection was. There's stuff that ebay won't let you list
and others where they make you jump through hoops to prove that you have
a right to sell the item.

yet there are *lots* of items on ebay that supposedly have some sort of
restriction, including software that is supposedly non-transferrable.

I gather that you are not a fan of things Adobe, and that is OK.

You seem to be conflating me with Mayayana, whose very name comes across
to me as a whine.

However, you seem to be ignorant of just how the Creative Cloud
actually works very successfully for those who choose to use it, and
there are thousands of them.

What does the success of Creative Cloud have to do with the prospects
for narrow licensing of Adobe hardware?

because it works with creative cloud.

On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 14:32:01 -0400, nospam
wrote:

when did adobe charge by the page???

i've been using pdf since it first came out and do not recall there
*ever* being a charge per page. how could they even enforce that?

I don't remember a charge per page. I do remember having to buy the
software.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens