Moving from Aperture to Lightroom, part 1

So, here are some thoughts from a die hard Aperture user feeling forced to
move to Lightroom.

1. Speed
Man, Lightroom is *slow* to work in. Using the arrow keys and
stepping through images is really slow, something that is instantaneous in
Aperture. Moving from Library to Develop mode takes too many microseconds
to be a fluid part of the workflow.

2. Videos
My folders had some videos in them, this is seemingly the worst thing
Lightroom knows. For every video found in a collection, Lightroom will
*freeze* the entire application for up to a minute before it can display
it. What is it doing, indexing it and sending it to NSA?

3. Publish Services
Man this is a mess. You can't publish to an existing Flickr or Photoshop
album, and the Publish Service panel is just a placeholder. You drag your
photos there, but they're not uploaded, no you have to click the service
and then click the publish button.

4. Importing
You can only select where the imported files are put on your hard drive,
not that "projects" (called collections in LR) should be created. In
Aperture, you imported files and then selected which project the photos
should be imported into, or creating a new project, and even splitting by
date automatically.

Also, import speed in LR is significantly slower than in Aperture,
especially when connected directly to my D800 over USB3. This seems odd.
Also tried importing 24MP Sony A7 files via the built in SD card reader on
my iMac, also significantly slower. Also, halted in the middle doing I have
no idea...

So, after having imported some pictures, LR doesn't let me erase my memory
card or anything. That's just weird.

5. Speed again
With my 36MP RAW files imported and in Library mode and I zoom to 100%
there is a 5-7 seconds lag to load the actual file data that was never
there in Aperture. It could lag a bit sometimes, especially on slower
drives, but never this severely.

I'm sure there will be more posts like this


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Sandman[.net]

On 7/1/14 PDT, 2:18 AM, Sandman wrote:
So, here are some thoughts from a die hard Aperture user feeling forced to
move to Lightroom.

1. Speed
Man, Lightroom is *slow* to work in. Using the arrow keys and
stepping through images is really slow, something that is instantaneous in
Aperture. Moving from Library to Develop mode takes too many microseconds
to be a fluid part of the workflow.

You either have a dog of a computer, or LR is still trying to digest a
mass of files, creating previews and metadata. Or you're just a hater.

I can deal with only one whine at a time!

In article , Sandman
wrote:

So, here are some thoughts from a die hard Aperture user feeling forced to
move to Lightroom.

1. Speed
Man, Lightroom is *slow* to work in. Using the arrow keys and
stepping through images is really slow, something that is instantaneous in
Aperture. Moving from Library to Develop mode takes too many microseconds
to be a fluid part of the workflow.

lightroom can auto-advance and the time to switch is instant.

2. Videos
My folders had some videos in them, this is seemingly the worst thing
Lightroom knows. For every video found in a collection, Lightroom will
*freeze* the entire application for up to a minute before it can display
it. What is it doing, indexing it and sending it to NSA?

it doesn't freeze. something is wrong with your setup.

3. Publish Services
Man this is a mess. You can't publish to an existing Flickr or Photoshop
album, and the Publish Service panel is just a placeholder. You drag your
photos there, but they're not uploaded, no you have to click the service
and then click the publish button.

they can easily be exported to a variety of services and any
unsupported services can be added via a plug-in.

4. Importing
You can only select where the imported files are put on your hard drive,
not that "projects" (called collections in LR) should be created. In
Aperture, you imported files and then selected which project the photos
should be imported into, or creating a new project, and even splitting by
date automatically.

the photos can go wherever you want.

Also, import speed in LR is significantly slower than in Aperture,
especially when connected directly to my D800 over USB3. This seems odd.
Also tried importing 24MP Sony A7 files via the built in SD card reader on
my iMac, also significantly slower. Also, halted in the middle doing I have
no idea...

something is wrong with your setup.

So, after having imported some pictures, LR doesn't let me erase my memory
card or anything. That's just weird.

it can if you want it to.

5. Speed again
With my 36MP RAW files imported and in Library mode and I zoom to 100%
there is a 5-7 seconds lag to load the actual file data that was never
there in Aperture. It could lag a bit sometimes, especially on slower
drives, but never this severely.

something is wrong with your setup.

images show up instantly, and if the previews are not cached it takes a
second or two to render a higher quality version.

I'm sure there will be more posts like this

only if you don't know how to use lightroom.

In article , John McWilliams wrote:

Sandman:
So, here are some thoughts from a die hard Aperture user feeling
forced to move to Lightroom.

1. Speed Man, Lightroom is *slow* to work in. Using the arrow keys
and stepping through images is really slow, something that is
instantaneous in Aperture. Moving from Library to Develop mode
takes too many microseconds to be a fluid part of the workflow.

You either have a dog of a computer

Top of the line Mac Pro. One of the fastest desktop computers on the
planet.

or LR is still trying to digest a mass of files,

Not likely, I imported the files more than a week ago. Plus, if it got slow
when "digesting" files, it would still be slow.

creating previews and metadata.

It only creates previews of photos in the current view unless they already
have previews. And in what fashion would it "create metadata" long after
the photos have been imported?

Or you're just a hater.

It's just a comparison, I don't need to hate Lightroom in order to see that
it is slower than Aperture.

I can deal with only one whine at a time!

Well, sucks to be you


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Sandman[.net]

In article , nospam wrote:

Sandman:
So, here are some thoughts from a die hard Aperture user feeling
forced to move to Lightroom.

1. Speed Man, Lightroom is *slow* to work in. Using the arrow keys
and stepping through images is really slow, something that is
instantaneous in Aperture. Moving from Library to Develop mode
takes too many microseconds to be a fluid part of the workflow.

lightroom can auto-advance and the time to switch is instant.

No it isn't. And what do you mean by "auto-advance"?

Sandman:
2. Videos My folders had some videos in them, this is seemingly
the worst thing Lightroom knows. For every video found in a
collection, Lightroom will *freeze* the entire application for up
to a minute before it can display it. What is it doing, indexing
it and sending it to NSA?

it doesn't freeze.

Yes it does.

something is wrong with your setup.

No there isn't. Fresh OSX install, Fresh Lightroom install.

Sandman:
3. Publish Services Man this is a mess. You can't publish to an
existing Flickr or Photoshop album, and the Publish Service panel
is just a placeholder. You drag your photos there, but they're not
uploaded, no you have to click the service and then click the
publish button.

they can easily be exported to a variety of services and any
unsupported services can be added via a plug-in.

That... had nothing to do with what I just said.

Sandman:
4. Importing You can only select where the imported files are put
on your hard drive, not that "projects" (called collections in LR)
should be created. In Aperture, you imported files and then
selected which project the photos should be imported into, or
creating a new project, and even splitting by date automatically.

the photos can go wherever you want.

But not, as I said, be put in a collection automatically. It's just a UI
for moving files from a memory card to the hard drive.

Sandman:
Also, import speed in LR is significantly slower than in Aperture,
especially when connected directly to my D800 over USB3. This
seems odd. Also tried importing 24MP Sony A7 files via the built
in SD card reader on my iMac, also significantly slower. Also,
halted in the middle doing I have no idea...

something is wrong with your setup.

Nope.

Sandman:
So, after having imported some pictures, LR doesn't let me erase
my memory card or anything. That's just weird.

it can if you want it to.

How?

Sandman:
5. Speed again With my 36MP RAW files imported and in Library mode
and I zoom to 100% there is a 5-7 seconds lag to load the actual
file data that was never there in Aperture. It could lag a bit
sometimes, especially on slower drives, but never this severely.

something is wrong with your setup.

Nope.

images show up instantly, and if the previews are not cached it
takes a second or two to render a higher quality version.

That's what I just said. Aperture is just a lot faster.

Sandman:
I'm sure there will be more posts like this

only if you don't know how to use lightroom.

Nothing above from you displayed any form of user error on my part.


--
Sandman[.net]

In article , Sandman
wrote:

Sandman:
So, here are some thoughts from a die hard Aperture user feeling
forced to move to Lightroom.

1. Speed Man, Lightroom is *slow* to work in. Using the arrow keys
and stepping through images is really slow, something that is
instantaneous in Aperture. Moving from Library to Develop mode
takes too many microseconds to be a fluid part of the workflow.

lightroom can auto-advance and the time to switch is instant.

No it isn't. And what do you mean by "auto-advance"?

not needing to use the arrow keys to advance. i.e., automatic advancing.

Sandman:
2. Videos My folders had some videos in them, this is seemingly
the worst thing Lightroom knows. For every video found in a
collection, Lightroom will *freeze* the entire application for up
to a minute before it can display it. What is it doing, indexing
it and sending it to NSA?

it doesn't freeze.

Yes it does.

something is wrong with your setup.

No there isn't. Fresh OSX install, Fresh Lightroom install.

if it freezes, then there is something wrong.

Sandman:
3. Publish Services Man this is a mess. You can't publish to an
existing Flickr or Photoshop album, and the Publish Service panel
is just a placeholder. You drag your photos there, but they're not
uploaded, no you have to click the service and then click the
publish button.

they can easily be exported to a variety of services and any
unsupported services can be added via a plug-in.

That... had nothing to do with what I just said.

yes it did.

Sandman:
4. Importing You can only select where the imported files are put
on your hard drive, not that "projects" (called collections in LR)
should be created. In Aperture, you imported files and then
selected which project the photos should be imported into, or
creating a new project, and even splitting by date automatically.

the photos can go wherever you want.

But not, as I said, be put in a collection automatically. It's just a UI
for moving files from a memory card to the hard drive.

make a smart collection.

Sandman:
Also, import speed in LR is significantly slower than in Aperture,
especially when connected directly to my D800 over USB3. This
seems odd. Also tried importing 24MP Sony A7 files via the built
in SD card reader on my iMac, also significantly slower. Also,
halted in the middle doing I have no idea...

something is wrong with your setup.

Nope.

given that you have problems that others do not, there is something
wrong with your setup.

Sandman:
So, after having imported some pictures, LR doesn't let me erase
my memory card or anything. That's just weird.

it can if you want it to.

How?

move versus copy.

Sandman:
5. Speed again With my 36MP RAW files imported and in Library mode
and I zoom to 100% there is a 5-7 seconds lag to load the actual
file data that was never there in Aperture. It could lag a bit
sometimes, especially on slower drives, but never this severely.

something is wrong with your setup.

Nope.

images show up instantly, and if the previews are not cached it
takes a second or two to render a higher quality version.

That's what I just said. Aperture is just a lot faster.

no it isn't.

Sandman:
I'm sure there will be more posts like this

only if you don't know how to use lightroom.

Nothing above from you displayed any form of user error on my part.

it did

In article , nospam wrote:

nospam:
lightroom can auto-advance and the time to switch is instant.

Sandman:
No it isn't. And what do you mean by "auto-advance"?

not needing to use the arrow keys to advance. i.e., automatic
advancing.

When would you use that?

nospam:
something is wrong with your setup.

Sandman:
No there isn't. Fresh OSX install, Fresh Lightroom install.

if it freezes, then there is something wrong.

But not with the Lightroom install. Perhaps it just has poor support for
Sony A7-recorded videos.

Sandman:
3. Publish Services Man this is a mess. You can't
publish to an existing Flickr or Photoshop album, and the
Publish Service panel is just a placeholder. You drag your
photos there, but they're not uploaded, no you have to click
the service and then click the publish button.

nospam:
they can easily be exported to a variety of services and any
unsupported services can be added via a plug-in.

Sandman:
That... had nothing to do with what I just said.

yes it did.

Nope.

Sandman:
4. Importing You can only select where the imported
files are put on your hard drive, not that "projects" (called
collections in LR) should be created. In Aperture, you
imported files and then selected which project the photos
should be imported into, or creating a new project, and even
splitting by date automatically.

nospam:
the photos can go wherever you want.

Sandman:
But not, as I said, be put in a collection automatically. It's
just a UI for moving files from a memory card to the hard drive.

make a smart collection.

That can not be done as a part of the import process, as I said. Is this
how you do it - import images into Lightroom and then have to manually
create a smart collection every single time? That would suck.

Sandman:
Also, import speed in LR is significantly slower than
in Aperture, especially when connected directly to my D800
over USB3. This seems odd. Also tried importing 24MP Sony A7
files via the built in SD card reader on my iMac, also
significantly slower. Also, halted in the middle doing I have
no idea...

nospam:
something is wrong with your setup.

Sandman:
Nope.

given that you have problems that others do not, there is something
wrong with your setup.

Please substantiate this claim where no one else have seen Lightroom freeze
when video files from a Sony A7 is in the collection?

Just FYI: https://forums.adobe.com/message/4247815

Sandman:
So, after having imported some pictures, LR doesn't
let me erase my memory card or anything. That's just weird.

nospam:
it can if you want it to.

Sandman:
How?

move versus copy.

LR can't move files from my SD card to the hard drive, that option is
greyed out.

nospam:
images show up instantly, and if the previews are not cached it
takes a second or two to render a higher quality version.

Sandman:
That's what I just said. Aperture is just a lot faster.

no it isn't.

Yes, it is.

Sandman:
I'm sure there will be more posts like this

nospam:
only if you don't know how to use lightroom.

Sandman:
Nothing above from you displayed any form of user error on my
part.

it did

Nope.

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Sandman[.net]

In article , Sandman
wrote:

lightroom can auto-advance and the time to switch is instant.

Sandman:
No it isn't. And what do you mean by "auto-advance"?

not needing to use the arrow keys to advance. i.e., automatic
advancing.

When would you use that?

lots of times. rating is one that comes to mind. there are others.

nospam:
something is wrong with your setup.

Sandman:
No there isn't. Fresh OSX install, Fresh Lightroom install.

if it freezes, then there is something wrong.

But not with the Lightroom install. Perhaps it just has poor support for
Sony A7-recorded videos.

could be. i don't have a sony a7 and can't test it. however, i do know
that i've never had lightroom freeze.


given that you have problems that others do not, there is something
wrong with your setup.

Please substantiate this claim where no one else have seen Lightroom freeze
when video files from a Sony A7 is in the collection?

Just FYI: https://forums.adobe.com/message/4247815

plenty of people have not had freezes.

maybe there's something about those videos.

blaming the app for something about the files from one camera is crazy.

In article , nospam wrote:

nospam:
lightroom can auto-advance and the time to switch is
instant.

Sandman:
No it isn't. And what do you mean by "auto-advance"?

nospam:
not needing to use the arrow keys to advance. i.e., automatic
advancing.

Sandman:
When would you use that?

lots of times. rating is one that comes to mind. there are others.

Ah, of course. Aperture solved that by having different rating keystrokes,
so shift-plus would up the rating and move to the next image and so on.

nospam:
something is wrong with your setup.

Sandman:
No there isn't. Fresh OSX install, Fresh Lightroom
install.

nospam:
if it freezes, then there is something wrong.

Sandman:
But not with the Lightroom install. Perhaps it just has poor
support for Sony A7-recorded videos.

could be. i don't have a sony a7 and can't test it. however, i do
know that i've never had lightroom freeze.

So if it ever freezes for anyone in the world, it's something wrong with
their setup rather than a bug in Lightroom?

nospam:
given that you have problems that others do not, there is
something wrong with your setup.

Sandman:
Please substantiate this claim where no one else have seen
Lightroom freeze when video files from a Sony A7 is in the
collection?

Just FYI: https://forums.adobe.com/message/4247815

plenty of people have not had freezes.

No substantiation? Ah, empty words again.

maybe there's something about those videos.

blaming the app for something about the files from one camera is
crazy.

Who did that?



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Sandman[.net]