If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
|
|||
|
|||
How AF Errors Decrease Effective Resolution of a DSLR/DC
|
#2
|
|||
|
|||
Spam
RichA, is that you?
|
#3
|
|||
|
|||
How AF Errors Decrease Effective Resolution of a DSLR/DC
You're article seems to misunderstand the focusing process. Adjusting the
focus changes the distance to the plane of best focus. The picture is still in focus, just sometimes not at the distance that you want. Focus errors are not limiting the resolving power unless you are photographing a flat, perpendicular subject or a subject at infinity. Usually you just end up slightly front or back focused where the plane of best focus is a little ahead or behind the intended point. Take a picture of a wedge, or even a tape measure held at an angle to see this. What is really limiting the resolving power is the low-pass filter which causes any sharp black to white transition to occur over approximately three pixels rather than the one to two that would be ideal. However this situation is far better than the moire effects that would occur without this. Adding more megapixels does help this problem as it raises the effective sampling rate and allows less low-pass filtering. Eventually the lens would be the limiting factor, but it appears that we have not reached this yet even with fairly cheap lenses as the resolving limits have increased for the same lenses as the megapixel counts have increased. Sharper lenses still help as the higher MTF near the limits improves edge contrast. That said, more accurate AF would be a great thing. Focus errors are very annoying. Some camera bodies have a more accurate center point when using lenses with apertures larger than f/2.8. Use this when you can. I suspect some of the problem is with lenses that try to focus very fast. There will probably be some overshoot as there is a limited amount of power to accelerate the moving parts and stop them at the right spot. I suspect this is why my Canon ef-s 60mm f/2.8 macro USM focuses so slowly, to try to avoid this problem. Canon teleconverters also slow the focusing speed of the attached lens while third party TC's do not which is why lenses sometimes oscillate with third party TC's but not with the Canon ones. The lens seems play a significant role in AF accuracy. I sometimes get focus distance errors with the EF 50mm f/1.4 lens but almost never with the f/1.8. Very strange. I would expect the opposite to be true as focusing is done wide open, so the band of acceptable focus is smaller at f/1.4 compared to f/1.8 and more light is available at the same focal length so it should be easier to determine focus distance. Perhaps it is due to overshoot or play in the drive train. The 50mm f/1.4 has an ultrasonic motor with full-time manual focusing, but it is not a ring USM motor, but rather a USM micromotor. Maybe this unusual feature causes play or overshoot? "RiceHigh" wrote in message ups.com... http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2006/12...effective.html |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
How AF Errors Decrease Effective Resolution of a DSLR/DC
Not really. What you are talking is all about the amount of
out-focusing or simply the DoF (which is defined based on a certain "acceptable" CoC) which the size of CoC can be calculated, for a certain AF number and a certain aperture number and at a particular focal length and at a particular object distance. In case of an *obvious* AF error that can be seen, the CoC is actually NOT accepted by the user, thus that's the ONLY problem. And the ONLY cause of this problem is focusing error. Fo example, even if the photographer shoot an infinity scene with all objects at infinity, a serious focusing error can cause the resolution to drop significantly owing to the large CoC. Also, when I talk about out-focusing errors, of course I refer to the object that is focused, and not other things in the same picture frame. RiceHigh http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/ default ¼g¹D¡G You're article seems to misunderstand the focusing process. Adjusting the focus changes the distance to the plane of best focus. The picture is still in focus, just sometimes not at the distance that you want. Focus errors are not limiting the resolving power unless you are photographing a flat, perpendicular subject or a subject at infinity. Usually you just end up slightly front or back focused where the plane of best focus is a little ahead or behind the intended point. Take a picture of a wedge, or even a tape measure held at an angle to see this. What is really limiting the resolving power is the low-pass filter which causes any sharp black to white transition to occur over approximately three pixels rather than the one to two that would be ideal. However this situation is far better than the moire effects that would occur without this. Adding more megapixels does help this problem as it raises the effective sampling rate and allows less low-pass filtering. Eventually the lens would be the limiting factor, but it appears that we have not reached this yet even with fairly cheap lenses as the resolving limits have increased for the same lenses as the megapixel counts have increased. Sharper lenses still help as the higher MTF near the limits improves edge contrast. That said, more accurate AF would be a great thing. Focus errors are very annoying. Some camera bodies have a more accurate center point when using lenses with apertures larger than f/2.8. Use this when you can. I suspect some of the problem is with lenses that try to focus very fast. There will probably be some overshoot as there is a limited amount of power to accelerate the moving parts and stop them at the right spot. I suspect this is why my Canon ef-s 60mm f/2.8 macro USM focuses so slowly, to try to avoid this problem. Canon teleconverters also slow the focusing speed of the attached lens while third party TC's do not which is why lenses sometimes oscillate with third party TC's but not with the Canon ones. The lens seems play a significant role in AF accuracy. I sometimes get focus distance errors with the EF 50mm f/1.4 lens but almost never with the f/1.8. Very strange. I would expect the opposite to be true as focusing is done wide open, so the band of acceptable focus is smaller at f/1.4 compared to f/1.8 and more light is available at the same focal length so it should be easier to determine focus distance. Perhaps it is due to overshoot or play in the drive train. The 50mm f/1.4 has an ultrasonic motor with full-time manual focusing, but it is not a ring USM motor, but rather a USM micromotor. Maybe this unusual feature causes play or overshoot? "RiceHigh" wrote in message ups.com... http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2006/12...effective.html |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Resolution of new DSLR | ironchef | Digital SLR Cameras | 12 | October 22nd 06 06:10 AM |
DX7590 SD Design Errors: Any Fix? | George Conklin | Digital Point & Shoot Cameras | 6 | August 18th 06 01:56 PM |
CF cards: Fit, finish, and ERRORS | Frank ess | Digital Photography | 11 | January 28th 05 02:59 AM |
The following article has many errors in my opinion. | Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) | Digital Photography | 11 | October 25th 04 10:55 PM |
Decrease depth of field with telephoto attachment? | Jon Harris | Digital Photography | 2 | September 19th 04 06:31 AM |