How obvious is the seam on this merge?

Here's the image. Clicking on it will open up a slightly larger version.


http://huntzinger.com/gallery/index.php/SAN/2016-oryx-7Y8A1661_2r

This is a composite from two, was de-rezzed for the web afterwords.

Later, I'll reveal the reason why the images were combined ... doing so
now might help reveal where to look.


Related: the OOF foreground object that's a distraction in the lower right
corner. Keep it or not? I've been tempted to remove it.


-hh

On Jun 23, 2017, hh wrote
(in ):

Here's the image. Clicking on it will open up a slightly larger version.

http://huntzinger.com/gallery/index.php/SAN/2016-oryx-7Y8A1661_2r

This is a composite from two, was de-rezzed for the web afterwords.

It might be too early in the morning for me, as other than your watermark in
the bottom right, I have not been able to pick out an obvious seam.

Later, I'll reveal the reason why the images were combined ... doing so
now might help reveal where to look.

Related: the OOF foreground object that's a distraction in the lower right
corner. Keep it or not? I've been tempted to remove it.

I agree, it is a distraction. To me it looks like a finger or an intruding
human body part, perhaps a bystander’s leg. However, removing it is going
to take some skill, and/or sophisticated tools which might or might not work
for tchis particular problem. If available a “content aware� patch or
fill has the best chance of a quick fix. Otherwise some meticulous clone
tool, healing tool, patch tool and layers work is going to be needed. Special
care must be given to the twin shadows of the legs, otherwise the repair will
be too conspicuous. Also to be considered; because of the position, cropping
it out is a non-starter.

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Regards,
Savageduck

On 23-Jun-17 3:23 PM, -hh wrote:
Here's the image. Clicking on it will open up a slightly larger version.


http://huntzinger.com/gallery/index.php/SAN/2016-oryx-7Y8A1661_2r

This is a composite from two, was de-rezzed for the web afterwords.

Later, I'll reveal the reason why the images were combined ... doing so
now might help reveal where to look.

I can't see a seam, just what appears to be an out-of-place image of a
donkey(@) alongside the nose of your Oryx (?).

There are some wonderful animal shots here, a place I ended up whilst
tryingf to identify YOUR animal! ;-)

http://tailandfur.com/beautiful-pict...ls-with-horns/

Related: the OOF foreground object that's a distraction in the
lower right corner. Keep it or not? I've been tempted to remove it.

If it was MY photograph I would remove that object.

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Sometimes man stumbles over the truth. (W.Churchill)

On Jun 23, 2017, David B. wrote
(in article ):

On 23-Jun-17 3:23 PM, -hh wrote:
Here's the image. Clicking on it will open up a slightly larger version.


http://huntzinger.com/gallery/index.php/SAN/2016-oryx-7Y8A1661_2r

This is a composite from two, was de-rezzed for the web afterwords.

Later, I'll reveal the reason why the images were combined ... doing so
now might help reveal where to look.

I can't see a seam, just what appears to be an out-of-place image of a
donkey(@) alongside the nose of your Oryx (?).

I don’t believe that is a “donkey�. It looks to be some other antelope,
perhaps a Springbok, or Gazelle. Isuspect the intruding object in the right
foreground might be the rump of a similar antelope.

There are some wonderful animal shots here, a place I ended up whilst
tryingf to identify YOUR animal! ;-)

http://tailandfur.com/beautiful-pict...ls-with-horns/

Related: the OOF foreground object that's a distraction in the
lower right corner. Keep it or not? I've been tempted to remove it.

If it was MY photograph I would remove that object.

Yup! However, to be done well that task is going to require some skill,
especially with repairing and extending the leg shadows of the Oryx.

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Regards,
Savageduck

On 23/06/2017 15:23, -hh wrote:
Here's the image. Clicking on it will open up a slightly larger version.


http://huntzinger.com/gallery/index.php/SAN/2016-oryx-7Y8A1661_2r

This is a composite from two, was de-rezzed for the web afterwords.

Later, I'll reveal the reason why the images were combined ... doing so
now might help reveal where to look.


Related: the OOF foreground object that's a distraction in the lower right
corner. Keep it or not? I've been tempted to remove it.


-hh

I think the seam is the join between the in-focus foreground and the
out-of-focus background.

Both the right-hand side "finger", and the second animal in the
background, detract from the otherwise rather nice image, at least for me.

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David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

On Jun 23, 2017, Tony Cooper wrote
(in ):

On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 08:45:09 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On Jun 23, 2017, David B. wrote
(in article ):

On 23-Jun-17 3:23 PM, -hh wrote:
Here's the image. Clicking on it will open up a slightly larger version.


http://huntzinger.com/gallery/index.php/SAN/2016-oryx-7Y8A1661_2r

This is a composite from two, was de-rezzed for the web afterwords.

Later, I'll reveal the reason why the images were combined ... doing so
now might help reveal where to look.

I can't see a seam, just what appears to be an out-of-place image of a
donkey(@) alongside the nose of your Oryx (?).

I don’t believe that is a “donkey�. It looks to be some other
antelope, perhaps a Springbok, or Gazelle.

It's an Oryx, a type of antelope. Says so in the link and checking
for Oryx photos verifies this.

Of course the primary infocus subject is an Oryx! That is not what is being
talked about.
Look at the OoF animal that the Oryx’s head obscures. That is what I am
talking about when I say it looks to be some other antelope, or David B.
refers to as “an out of place image of a donkey�.

I suspect the intruding object in the right
foreground might be the rump of a similar antelope.

I wouldn't find removing the mass in the lower right to be much of
challenge in Photoshop. The two top leg shadows can be cloned across
the replaced ground. The best ground to grab for this is covered by
the watermark, though, so it would have to be done on the original.

Agreed. To make that fix work well care must be taken with the shadow work.
....and it should be done on a clean, non-watermarked layer.

What I find really distracting is the triangular object below the
Oryx's lower jaw.

That is the “donkey/antelope� discussed above.

Also, there's a very sharp edge there that suggests
the Oryx was added over some other background. To the left of the
Oryx's head - opposite the triangular thing - is what looks like the
head of an Oryx calf (or whatever their young are called). The calf's
upper body should show where the triangular thing is, but it might be
better to add new background on both sides of the head.

The same “donkey/antelope�, nothing to do with Oryx offspring. It should
either be cloned out, or blurred to an insignificant level.

I'm not sure what a "seam" is in this type of composite.

I am sure hh will explain when he provides the solution.

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Regards,
Savageduck

On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 1:14:53 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 08:45:09 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On Jun 23, 2017, David B. wrote
(in article ):

On 23-Jun-17 3:23 PM, -hh wrote:
Here's the image. Clicking on it will open up a slightly larger version.


http://huntzinger.com/gallery/index.php/SAN/2016-oryx-7Y8A1661_2r

This is a composite from two, was de-rezzed for the web afterwords.

Later, I'll reveal the reason why the images were combined ... doing so
now might help reveal where to look.

I can't see a seam, just what appears to be an out-of-place image of a
donkey(@) alongside the nose of your Oryx (?).

I don’t believe that is a “donkey�. It looks to be some other antelope,
perhaps a Springbok, or Gazelle.

It's an Oryx, a type of antelope. Says so in the link and checking
for Oryx photos verifies this.

Not sure if the EXIF lists the GPS; was in Etosha National Park, Namibia.

Isuspect the intruding object in the right
foreground might be the rump of a similar antelope.

A Springbok (not a finger/etc). Had to use some of the rejected pics taken
at the same time to figure this out.


I wouldn't find removing the mass in the lower right to be much of
challenge in Photoshop. The two top leg shadows can be cloned across
the replaced ground. The best ground to grab for this is covered by
the watermark, though, so it would have to be done on the original.

Here's a first shot at it:

http://huntzinger.com/gallery/index.php/SAN/2016-oryx-7Y8A1661_2r-ac-gallery


What I find really distracting is the triangular object below the
Oryx's lower jaw. Also, there's a very sharp edge there that suggests
the Oryx was added over some other background. To the left of the
Oryx's head - opposite the triangular thing - is what looks like the
head of an Oryx calf (or whatever their young are called). The calf's
upper body should show where the triangular thing is, but it might be
better to add new background on both sides of the head.

There's another Springbok, OOF, in the background behind the Oryx (to
our left of its head). I've given some thought about editing it out too.

And you've zeroed in on the area thats been bugging me too. Specifically,
I see the discontinuity in the height of the white rock to the left of his nose.

I'm not sure what a "seam" is in this type of composite.

Well, here's the original:

http://huntzinger.com/gallery/index.php/SAN/2016-oryx-7Y8A1661-original

Effectively, I'm trying to use 100% of this image (less the sidebar discussion
of editing out the OOF in the bottom right corner). Problem with it is that the
Oryx's ear (to our left) was cropped out of frame.

So I took 10% from the left side of this frame as a donor to increase the width
of the original, so as to get the ear & accompanying background:

http://huntzinger.com/gallery/index.php/SAN/2016-oryx-7Y8A1660-ear_donor

This means that the seam is vertical, roughly 7% in from the left edge.

For frame alignment I used the Oryx's ear, since it is the primary subject.

Most of the OOF background above the ear was no problem ...

But the Oryx was walking and its height height changed between the two frames,
so the challenge is the foreground (below the ear). What bugs me is how the white
rock has a height discontinuity - the part that's higher to the left ends right where
the seam is.

I've been debating about messing with this (lowering the white rock to match level)
or to ignore it. Want to decide this before addressing the background Springbock
that's to our left of the Oryx's nose. Thoughts?


-hh

On Jun 23, 2017, hh wrote
(in ):

On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 1:14:53 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 08:45:09 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On Jun 23, 2017, David B. wrote
(in article ):

On 23-Jun-17 3:23 PM, -hh wrote:
Here's the image. Clicking on it will open up a slightly larger version.


http://huntzinger.com/gallery/index.php/SAN/2016-oryx-7Y8A1661_2r

This is a composite from two, was de-rezzed for the web afterwords.

Later, I'll reveal the reason why the images were combined ... doing so
now might help reveal where to look.

I can't see a seam, just what appears to be an out-of-place image of a
donkey(@) alongside the nose of your Oryx (?).

I don’t believe that is a “donkey�. It looks to be some other
antelope,
perhaps a Springbok, or Gazelle.

It's an Oryx, a type of antelope. Says so in the link and checking
for Oryx photos verifies this.

Not sure if the EXIF lists the GPS; was in Etosha National Park, Namibia.

I suspected as much since you have an entire Namibia gallery. I first visited
Namibia (then South-West Africa) in 1978, and have visited a few times since.


I suspect the intruding object in the right
foreground might be the rump of a similar antelope.

A Springbok (not a finger/etc). Had to use some of the rejected pics taken
at the same time to figure this out.

OK! That makes sense.

I wouldn't find removing the mass in the lower right to be much of
challenge in Photoshop. The two top leg shadows can be cloned across
the replaced ground. The best ground to grab for this is covered by
the watermark, though, so it would have to be done on the original.

Here's a first shot at it:

http://huntzinger.com/gallery/index.php/SAN/2016-oryx-7Y8A1661_2r-ac-gallery

I have done something similar, just a tad limited using your posted image.
See below.


What I find really distracting is the triangular object below the
Oryx's lower jaw. Also, there's a very sharp edge there that suggests
the Oryx was added over some other background. To the left of the
Oryx's head - opposite the triangular thing - is what looks like the
head of an Oryx calf (or whatever their young are called). The calf's
upper body should show where the triangular thing is, but it might be
better to add new background on both sides of the head.

There's another Springbok, OOF, in the background behind the Oryx (to
our left of its head). I've given some thought about editing it out too.

I figured that it was a Springbok, and it does need to be dealt with.

And you've zeroed in on the area thats been bugging me too. Specifically,
I see the discontinuity in the height of the white rock to the left of his
nose.

I'm not sure what a "seam" is in this type of composite.

Well, here's the original:

http://huntzinger.com/gallery/index.php/SAN/2016-oryx-7Y8A1661-original

Now we know. ;-)


Effectively, I'm trying to use 100% of this image (less the sidebar discussion
of editing out the OOF in the bottom right corner). Problem with it is that
the
Oryx's ear (to our left) was cropped out of frame.

So I took 10% from the left side of this frame as a donor to increase the
width
of the original, so as to get the ear & accompanying background:

http://huntzinger.com/gallery/index.php/SAN/2016-oryx-7Y8A1660-ear_donor

This means that the seam is vertical, roughly 7% in from the left edge.

For frame alignment I used the Oryx's ear, since it is the primary subject.

That was a pretty good fix.


Most of the OOF background above the ear was no problem ...

But the Oryx was walking and its height height changed between the two frames,
so the challenge is the foreground (below the ear). What bugs me is how the
white
rock has a height discontinuity - the part that's higher to the left ends
right where
the seam is.

That is a reasonably simple fix with a bit of careful cloning.

I've been debating about messing with this (lowering the white rock to match
level)
or to ignore it. Want to decide this before addressing the background
Springbock
that's to our left of the Oryx's nose. Thoughts?

I played with the major issue as you have, and applied a blur across the
level of the background Springbok to bring it into OoF insignificance.

Here is my quick rework.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/z4307cy0prtews5/hh-Oryx-edit.jpg

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Regards,
Savageduck

On Jun 23, 2017, Tony Cooper wrote
(in ):
Snip

I did a clone job on the issues around the Onyx's head:
https://photos.smugmug.com/AUE-Temp/.../O/onyx-01.jpg
and this shows both before and after.

Yup! That works.

I prefer taking the other creature out rather than blurring it.

I thought of using a blur as one method of dealing with the issue, but as we
well know there is always more than one way to tackle an issue, and one might
be better than another. Sometimes it doesn’t matterprovided the distraction
has been neutralized. In this case removal is better than the blur.

I made a mistake and worked on the shot with the ear cut off, but that
doesn't make much difference in the affected area.

I wouldn’t worry about what you worked on, it has been an interesting
exercise.
So all thanks to hh for letting us play.

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Regards,
Savageduck

On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 11:06:24 -0700 (PDT), -hh
wrote:

On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 1:14:53 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 08:45:09 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On Jun 23, 2017, David B. wrote
(in article ):

On 23-Jun-17 3:23 PM, -hh wrote:
Here's the image. Clicking on it will open up a slightly larger version.


http://huntzinger.com/gallery/index.php/SAN/2016-oryx-7Y8A1661_2r

This is a composite from two, was de-rezzed for the web afterwords.

Later, I'll reveal the reason why the images were combined ... doing so
now might help reveal where to look.

I can't see a seam, just what appears to be an out-of-place image of a
donkey(@) alongside the nose of your Oryx (?).

I don’t believe that is a “donkey”. It looks to be some other antelope,
perhaps a Springbok, or Gazelle.

It's an Oryx, a type of antelope. Says so in the link and checking
for Oryx photos verifies this.

Not sure if the EXIF lists the GPS; was in Etosha National Park, Namibia.

Isuspect the intruding object in the right
foreground might be the rump of a similar antelope.

A Springbok (not a finger/etc). Had to use some of the rejected pics taken
at the same time to figure this out.


I wouldn't find removing the mass in the lower right to be much of
challenge in Photoshop. The two top leg shadows can be cloned across
the replaced ground. The best ground to grab for this is covered by
the watermark, though, so it would have to be done on the original.

Here's a first shot at it:

http://huntzinger.com/gallery/index.php/SAN/2016-oryx-7Y8A1661_2r-ac-gallery

Does your site block known VPN servers? I couldn't see these photos
until I just now turned off the VPN. Anyway, now that I can see it,
the fix above looks pretty good. But to answer the question in the
subject line, the seam is extremely obvious, but mostly because of the
area to our left of the head. It looks intentionally and poorly
blurred. I noticed it because it looks so much like my failed attempts
at blurring. The whole left side above that is also pretty obvious,
but you could probably get away with it if not for the really bad spot
I first saw.

What I find really distracting is the triangular object below the
Oryx's lower jaw. Also, there's a very sharp edge there that suggests
the Oryx was added over some other background. To the left of the
Oryx's head - opposite the triangular thing - is what looks like the
head of an Oryx calf (or whatever their young are called). The calf's
upper body should show where the triangular thing is, but it might be
better to add new background on both sides of the head.

There's another Springbok, OOF, in the background behind the Oryx (to
our left of its head). I've given some thought about editing it out too.

Isn't that triangular object the back of that Springbok? How about
desaturating, lowering the exposure, and a bit of blurring?

And you've zeroed in on the area thats been bugging me too. Specifically,
I see the discontinuity in the height of the white rock to the left of his nose.

I'm not sure what a "seam" is in this type of composite.

Well, here's the original:

http://huntzinger.com/gallery/index.php/SAN/2016-oryx-7Y8A1661-original

Effectively, I'm trying to use 100% of this image (less the sidebar discussion
of editing out the OOF in the bottom right corner). Problem with it is that the
Oryx's ear (to our left) was cropped out of frame.

So I took 10% from the left side of this frame as a donor to increase the width
of the original, so as to get the ear & accompanying background:

http://huntzinger.com/gallery/index.php/SAN/2016-oryx-7Y8A1660-ear_donor

This means that the seam is vertical, roughly 7% in from the left edge.

For frame alignment I used the Oryx's ear, since it is the primary subject.

Most of the OOF background above the ear was no problem ...

But the Oryx was walking and its height height changed between the two frames,
so the challenge is the foreground (below the ear). What bugs me is how the white
rock has a height discontinuity - the part that's higher to the left ends right where
the seam is.

I've been debating about messing with this (lowering the white rock to match level)
or to ignore it. Want to decide this before addressing the background Springbock
that's to our left of the Oryx's nose. Thoughts?


-hh

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