Apple holds Spotify users to ransom

In article , Bill W
wrote:

That was not a question. Web streams are not reliable enough, or cheap
enough, to use while driving on a more than 30 mile trip.

If you have unlimited data, it shouldn't be a problem.

even non-unlimited is not a problem unless you stream all day long,
every day.

a gig or two per month is fine.

Even satellite
will drop out in many areas.

even normal radio can drop, especially 30+ miles from the transmitter
if it's fm.

even in a city, reception can be a problem. there's a couple of spots
near me where nearby power lines cause interference and if you happen
to be stopped at a red light in one of those spots, you will be hearing
far more noise than radio.

Admittedly, I don't know if you can even
get unlimited data anymore.

you can.

On Sat, 02 Jul 2016 23:32:58 -0400, Tony Cooper
wrote:

On Sat, 02 Jul 2016 17:50:43 -0700, Bill W
wrote:

On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 20:00:49 -0400, PeterN
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On 7/2/2016 4:09 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2016-07-02 18:39:28 +0000, PeterN said:

On 7/2/2016 12:43 PM, Ken Hart wrote:
On 07/02/2016 12:18 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 7/1/2016 10:42 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/articl...s-apple-of-blo



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spotify has been trying to circumvent the rules for years.


In Starbucks I see promotions for Spotify. I thought it was some
music
DL service, but I really don't know what it is.

it's one of several music streaming services.

spotify has been trying to get around the app store rules long before
there was an apple music service.

apple's response:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/johnpaczkow...t-spotify-for-


asking-for-preferential-trea
³Our guidelines apply equally to all app developers, whether they
are
game developers, e-book sellers, video-streaming services or digital
music distributors; and regardless of whether or not they compete
against Apple. We did not alter our behavior or our rules when we
introduced our own music streaming service or when Spotify became a
competitor,² Sewell explains. ³Ironically, it is now Spotify that
wants things to be different by asking for preferential treatment
from Apple.²


Thanks. I have only one streaming music service, Sirius, and it
satisfies my needs. Plus it is free because I have the full
subscription
in my car.
I know there are other free streaming music services out there, but
this
is working for me, as long as they stay in business.



If you want another choice for streaming music, I use 181.fm There are
about thirty different categories of music: Light 80's, Oldies, etc.
There are commercials about every 15 minutes.

As someone else said: "It satisfies my needs."


Is that a satellite station.

That is a web stream, as are other apps/services such as Pandora.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_Radio
http://www.pandora.com


That was not a question. Web streams are not reliable enough, or cheap
enough, to use while driving on a more than 30 mile trip.

If you have unlimited data, it shouldn't be a problem. Even satellite
will drop out in many areas. Admittedly, I don't know if you can even
get unlimited data anymore.

We have SeriusXM in the car. It's far more than just "glorified
radio". The selection is much, much more than just music. In fact,
we seldom use the music channels.

I've never had it drop out, but I suppose it's possible.

It's not free, though. It was free for a year after we purchased the
car, but we've continued to pay for it.

Another issue that might still exist: I had XM some years back, didn't
want it anymore, and let it lapse. But noooo, you can't do that. They
actually sent me to a collections agency for something like $25. Their
contracts were automatic rollover, but I had assumed that just not
paying would end the service. It seemed a bit sleazy to me, and I
swore I would never sign up again. And I didn't. I do agree that it's
not a bad way to go, at least if the system is built into the car. If
it's not, it's a pain, mainly because of the antenna, but also because
you need to connect the receiver to the OEM radio, and those things
can be major hassles for do-it-yourselfers. At least most car radios
have Aux inputs these days, and that makes the connection to the radio
trivial.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:


We have SeriusXM in the car. It's far more than just "glorified
radio". The selection is much, much more than just music. In fact,
we seldom use the music channels.

having a larger selection is what makes it a glorified radio and nobody
said it was only music either.

however, like normal radio, you don't have any control over what's
broadcast.

I've never had it drop out, but I suppose it's possible.

it is possible.

a tunnel is the obvious scenario.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

We have SeriusXM in the car. It's far more than just "glorified
radio". The selection is much, much more than just music. In fact,
we seldom use the music channels.

having a larger selection is what makes it a glorified radio and nobody
said it was only music either.

Using the term "glorified radio" is depreciative.

no.

it's an accurate description of what it is.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

We have SeriusXM in the car. It's far more than just "glorified
radio". The selection is much, much more than just music. In fact,
we seldom use the music channels.

having a larger selection is what makes it a glorified radio and nobody
said it was only music either.

Using the term "glorified radio" is depreciative.

no.

it's an accurate description of what it is.

Of course it is.

yes, it is.

once again, you agree, yet you argue.

It may be both in your opinion,

it's not my opinion. even sirius calls it a radio.

but anyone who uses
language with any facility understands that the usage is depreciative.
The excludes you, evidently.

wrong on that too.

as usual, you're arguing over word meanings not the actual topic.

you're nothing more than a troll.

As a test, ask one of your fellow Best Buy employees if he feels that
being called a "glorified sales clerk" to be depreciative or an
accurate description of your jobs.

it didn't take long for the insults.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

We have SeriusXM in the car. It's far more than just "glorified
radio". The selection is much, much more than just music. In fact,
we seldom use the music channels.

having a larger selection is what makes it a glorified radio and nobody
said it was only music either.

Using the term "glorified radio" is depreciative.

no.

it's an accurate description of what it is.

Of course it is.

yes, it is.

once again, you agree, yet you argue.

It may be both in your opinion,

it's not my opinion. even sirius calls it a radio.

You're weaseling. The fact that it's "radio" is not being disputed.
Using "glorified" as a modifier is the depreciative aspect.

it's on depreciative in your tiny little mind.

Whenever you precede a thing or title with the word "glorified" you
are suggesting that you perceive it to be above it's station. (Pun
intended)

it's essentially a radio that receives satellite broadcasts for wider
coverage and with a larger selection of stations.

it's a glorified radio, exactly as i said it was.

it's still one-way, with all of the limitations that regular radio has
and worse, it costs money (unless you can get a dealer unit).

but anyone who uses
language with any facility understands that the usage is depreciative.
The excludes you, evidently.

wrong on that too.

as usual, you're arguing over word meanings not the actual topic.

You are verifying that you have no facility in the usage of our
language. There is no dispute over word meaning. I'm pointing out
nuance by expression, not a difference in the meaning of any word.

As usual, you are arguing over being caught out denigrating something
for no good reason and not discussing the actual topic.

i'm not denigrating anything.

once again, you lie and twist things into what was never said solely to
argue.

it ain't me who is not discussing the topic.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

You are verifying that you have no facility in the usage of our
language. There is no dispute over word meaning. I'm pointing out
nuance by expression, not a difference in the meaning of any word.

As usual, you are arguing over being caught out denigrating something
for no good reason and not discussing the actual topic.

i'm not denigrating anything.

You know, just for a change, you could try to actually learn something
about how to use the language instead of sticking your fingers in your
ears and blabbering "I'm not wrong. I'm not wrong".

more projection.

you know, just for a change, you could actually discuss the topic
rather than go into attack mode.

On 07/02/2016 02:39 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 7/2/2016 12:43 PM, Ken Hart wrote:



If you want another choice for streaming music, I use 181.fm There are
about thirty different categories of music: Light 80's, Oldies, etc.
There are commercials about every 15 minutes.

As someone else said: "It satisfies my needs."


Is that a satellite station.

Sorry, I should have written "www.181.fm". The "FM" in this case is the
top level domain name for the Federated States of Micronesia.

I have one old computer that I refer to as my "music computer". The
browser is nearly always pointed at that website. The audio output from
the computer is connected to the aux input of my stereo system.

The first 20 or so years of my working life were spent in radio, first
as a DJ, then as a Chief Engineer. So I pretty much have to have "tunes"
playing all the time!

--
Ken Hart

Bill W:
If you have unlimited data, it shouldn't be a problem. Even satellite
will drop out in many areas. Admittedly, I don't know if you can even
get unlimited data anymore.

I have driven in "Many areas" with Sirius/XM in my three cars. Never
had a dropout related to geography, only to terrain. Trees close to the
south side of a narrow country road, e.g. Under a bridge sometimes. if
driving slowly. In a tunnel. No biggie, overwhelmingly reliable.

--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

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On Sun, 03 Jul 2016 21:16:35 -0400, Davoud wrote:

Bill W:
If you have unlimited data, it shouldn't be a problem. Even satellite
will drop out in many areas. Admittedly, I don't know if you can even
get unlimited data anymore.

I have driven in "Many areas" with Sirius/XM in my three cars. Never
had a dropout related to geography, only to terrain. Trees close to the
south side of a narrow country road, e.g. Under a bridge sometimes. if
driving slowly. In a tunnel. No biggie, overwhelmingly reliable.

That's really all I meant, with the addition of urban areas with tall
buildings.