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Old November 24th 05, 01:29 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Default Canon 20D or Nikon D70s?

How these two compare, the price of cannon is slightly higher, but in terms
of quality how do they compare. I am thinking of D70s with 18-70 kit lens
and 20D with 17-85 IS lens. How do the lenses compare? Any suggestion for
better wakl around lenses to go with each? I have heard good things about
Sigma 18-50 and 18-200 lenses.

Thanks

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Old November 24th 05, 03:00 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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In article , perting2002
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How these two compare, the price of cannon is slightly higher, but in terms
of quality how do they compare. I am thinking of D70s with 18-70 kit lens
and 20D with 17-85 IS lens. How do the lenses compare? Any suggestion for
better wakl around lenses to go with each? I have heard good things about
Sigma 18-50 and 18-200 lenses.


Whoever told you good things about Sigma lenses, particularly the latter
is getting paid by them to do so.

The 20D and D70s are in different classes. The Nikon competitor to the
20D will be the D200 which will be coming out in December. At the moment
the D70s should be compared with the 350D and the D70 with the 300D.

For the money the D70s and 18-70mm DX is a very good combo.
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Old November 24th 05, 11:43 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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The 20D and D70s are in different classes. The Nikon competitor to the
20D will be the D200 which will be coming out in December. At the moment
the D70s should be compared with the 350D and the D70 with the 300D.


The D70 compared with 300 D?? The D70 is a much better camera.




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Old November 25th 05, 11:42 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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The D70 compared with 300 D?? The D70 is a much better camera.


I know that, you know that, but the vast majority of newbies don't.

The way it works is like this;

Canon comes out with a camera that makes people sit up and take notice.
Nikon responds after about a year with a camera that is priced about the
same, but is a lot better. Canon responds within 6-12 months with a new
feature or a new camera altogether.

And so on...

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I got your point, DD..It`s true.

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Old November 24th 05, 03:18 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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"Per Ting" wrote in message
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How these two compare, the price of cannon is slightly higher, but in
terms
of quality how do they compare. I am thinking of D70s with 18-70 kit lens
and 20D with 17-85 IS lens. How do the lenses compare? Any suggestion for
better wakl around lenses to go with each? I have heard good things about
Sigma 18-50 and 18-200 lenses.

Thanks


Stay away from the sigma lenses. Vastly inferior.

The 20D is 5frames per second but the nikon is only 3. Not an issue if you
don't shoot sports. A4 inkjet prints won't show any difference between
8.2mp and 6. If you do lots of low light hand held stuff then the Image
stabilised canon lense is good. The Nikon kit is much better value for
money.


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Old November 24th 05, 04:26 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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ian lincoln wrote:
"Per Ting" wrote in message
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How these two compare, the price of cannon is slightly higher, but in
terms
of quality how do they compare. I am thinking of D70s with 18-70 kit lens
and 20D with 17-85 IS lens. How do the lenses compare? Any suggestion for
better wakl around lenses to go with each? I have heard good things about
Sigma 18-50 and 18-200 lenses.

Thanks


Stay away from the sigma lenses. Vastly inferior.


Sigma snobbery at its finest.

Compared to the Canon L series, yes they range from somewhat inferior
to no comparison. However, for a user at the D70/20D price level, they
have their place. The 18-200 is great if you want to never change
lenses, but not great if you want to shoot wide open or can't tolerate a
little distortion or color issues.
Generally, the APO Sigma lenses are decent, and a great value for the
money. The 70-200 f/2.8 is an excellent lens, actually holding its own
against the Canon version if it's a good copy. The main difference
between the Canon and Sigma at any particular model (gotta compare
apples to apples), is the Sigma tends to have more variation in quality
from one copy to the next, and lower resale value. But they are decent
step-up lenses.

The 20D is 5frames per second but the nikon is only 3. Not an issue if you
don't shoot sports. A4 inkjet prints won't show any difference between
8.2mp and 6. If you do lots of low light hand held stuff then the Image
stabilised canon lense is good. The Nikon kit is much better value for
money.


The 20D is excellent for amateur sports shooting, a little more so than
the Nikon. It's also excellent for any low-light shooting.

Dave
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Old November 24th 05, 04:55 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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"David Geesaman" wrote in message
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ian lincoln wrote:
"Per Ting" wrote in message
...
How these two compare, the price of cannon is slightly higher, but in
terms
of quality how do they compare. I am thinking of D70s with 18-70 kit
lens
and 20D with 17-85 IS lens. How do the lenses compare? Any suggestion
for
better wakl around lenses to go with each? I have heard good things
about
Sigma 18-50 and 18-200 lenses.

Thanks


Stay away from the sigma lenses. Vastly inferior.


Sigma snobbery at its finest.

Compared to the Canon L series, yes they range from somewhat inferior to
no comparison. However, for a user at the D70/20D price level, they have
their place. The 18-200 is great if you want to never change lenses, but
not great if you want to shoot wide open or can't tolerate a little
distortion or color issues.
Generally, the APO Sigma lenses are decent, and a great value for the
money. The 70-200 f/2.8 is an excellent lens, actually holding its own
against the Canon version if it's a good copy. The main difference
between the Canon and Sigma at any particular model (gotta compare apples
to apples), is the Sigma tends to have more variation in quality from one
copy to the next, and lower resale value. But they are decent step-up
lenses.


Some of Sigma's EX lenses do very well against Canon L lenses.


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Old November 24th 05, 06:42 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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"David Geesaman" wrote in message
...
ian lincoln wrote:
"Per Ting" wrote in message
...
How these two compare, the price of cannon is slightly higher, but in
terms
of quality how do they compare. I am thinking of D70s with 18-70 kit
lens
and 20D with 17-85 IS lens. How do the lenses compare? Any suggestion
for
better wakl around lenses to go with each? I have heard good things
about
Sigma 18-50 and 18-200 lenses.

Thanks


Stay away from the sigma lenses. Vastly inferior.


Sigma snobbery at its finest.


Absolutely not. I own a lens. One was enough. Someone else mentioned the
sigma/canon problems. REchipping etc. If you have ever held a brand new
top end sigma lens in your hand and watch the end fall off. Then again
after returning from sigma for repair. Their cheap dx lenses for digital
cameras are the very worst. If you must go non manufacturer brand go tamron
or tokina. Trust me when i say sigma sell most cos dealers like 'em. They
like em cos they are cheaper than the other brands but still have a better
markup not because of any optical or build quality merits.


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Old November 24th 05, 07:18 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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"ian lincoln" wrote in
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"David Geesaman" wrote in message
...
ian lincoln wrote:
"Per Ting" wrote in message
...
How these two compare, the price of cannon is slightly higher, but
in terms
of quality how do they compare. I am thinking of D70s with 18-70
kit lens
and 20D with 17-85 IS lens. How do the lenses compare? Any
suggestion for
better wakl around lenses to go with each? I have heard good things
about
Sigma 18-50 and 18-200 lenses.

Thanks

Stay away from the sigma lenses. Vastly inferior.


Sigma snobbery at its finest.


Absolutely not. I own a lens.


Good for you.

One was enough.


....to form an opinion about that particular copy of that particular lens.
OTOH, I've owned several, and they rocked.

Mr. Geesaman is correct. The 70-200 f/2.8 is a match for the Canon if you
don't need IS. The 30 f/1.4 is on par and a great compliment for the
Canon 50 f/1.4. The 12-24 is something not even offered by Canon on full
frame, and is quite good. The 120-300 f/2.8 is another zoom range that
Canon doesn't offer, and fills it quite well. And the Bigma is in a class
all by itself for the hobbyist and semi-pro.

The same comments apply for some Tamrons and Tokinas.

If you got a lemon, I'd suggest you do what I do in the future and make
sure you buy from a supplier that makes for easy returns.

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