new 10d mkII with 1.3x sensor

On July 03 2004, Phil Wheeler wrote:
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Phil

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You are right on. There is no way that Canon would do this. It would
be like taking the same sensor used in the 10D and putting it in a
cheaper body, disabling some of the features, adding a lens, slowing
down the burst rate, and reducing the buffer then selling it for
about 1/3 the price.

Just couldn't be done. No way. If they did that 10D sales would drop
like a rock.



LOL. Apples & oranges. You're talking about a $500 difference
between the 10D & Digital Rebel. I'm talking about a $3,000
difference between the 10D & 1D MkII. Get a grip.

Mark

Ya, you're right. Can't be done. Won't be done. Impossible. It would be
like
back when the D30 was a hot item fro about $3000.00 having Canon introduce
a
4.15 mp camera with a CCD sensor and then try to sell it for, oh, I don't
know, maybe over $5,000. It's just something that couldn't happen.
Wouldn't
sell, wouldn't be a success.

Gotcha. You did me in again.
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I don't know many enthusiasts buying the 1D. Of course it's selling, but to
pros who can easily justify the extra $ for the larger sensor with less
noise, high frame rate & larger buffer, and weather sealed body.

So you missed the point I was making.

$500 between the 300D & 10D

$2,500 between the 10D & 1D MkII

The gap between the latter is 5x the gap between the 100D/10D. If I'm wrong
and Canon puts the 1.3x sensor in a 10D successor, I'll admit I was wrong.
I'm pretty comfortable in saying I won't have to do that.

Mark

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You are right on. There is no way that Canon would do this. It would
be like taking the same sensor used in the 10D and putting it in a
cheaper body, disabling some of the features, adding a lens, slowing
down the burst rate, and reducing the buffer then selling it for
about 1/3 the price.

Just couldn't be done. No way. If they did that 10D sales would drop
like a rock.



LOL. Apples & oranges. You're talking about a $500 difference
between the 10D & Digital Rebel. I'm talking about a $3,000
difference between the 10D & 1D MkII. Get a grip.

Mark

Ya, you're right. Can't be done. Won't be done. Impossible. It would be
like
back when the D30 was a hot item fro about $3000.00 having Canon
introduce
a
4.15 mp camera with a CCD sensor and then try to sell it for, oh, I
don't
know, maybe over $5,000. It's just something that couldn't happen.
Wouldn't
sell, wouldn't be a success.

Gotcha. You did me in again.
--

I don't know many enthusiasts buying the 1D. Of course it's selling, but
to
pros who can easily justify the extra $ for the larger sensor with less
noise, high frame rate & larger buffer, and weather sealed body.

So you missed the point I was making.

$500 between the 300D & 10D

$2,500 between the 10D & 1D MkII

The gap between the latter is 5x the gap between the 100D/10D. If I'm
wrong
and Canon puts the 1.3x sensor in a 10D successor, I'll admit I was wrong.
I'm pretty comfortable in saying I won't have to do that.

Mark



Oops, that is a $3,000 difference between the latter so it's a 6x larger
price gap.

Mark

"Mark B." wrote in message
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Mark

Ya, you're right. Can't be done. Won't be done. Impossible. It would be
like
back when the D30 was a hot item fro about $3000.00 having Canon
introduce
a
4.15 mp camera with a CCD sensor and then try to sell it for, oh, I
don't
know, maybe over $5,000. It's just something that couldn't happen.
Wouldn't
sell, wouldn't be a success.

Gotcha. You did me in again.
--

I don't know many enthusiasts buying the 1D. Of course it's selling, but
to
pros who can easily justify the extra $ for the larger sensor with less
noise, high frame rate & larger buffer, and weather sealed body.

So you missed the point I was making.

$500 between the 300D & 10D

$2,500 between the 10D & 1D MkII

The gap between the latter is 5x the gap between the 100D/10D. If I'm
wrong
and Canon puts the 1.3x sensor in a 10D successor, I'll admit I was wrong.
I'm pretty comfortable in saying I won't have to do that.

Mark


Don't forget, though, pros justified a large percentage difference between,
say, the ElanII ($400) and 1v ($2000), even though the "sensor" was exactly
the same! G

--
Skip Middleton
http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com

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Mark

Ya, you're right. Can't be done. Won't be done. Impossible. It would
be
like
back when the D30 was a hot item fro about $3000.00 having Canon
introduce
a
4.15 mp camera with a CCD sensor and then try to sell it for, oh, I
don't
know, maybe over $5,000. It's just something that couldn't happen.
Wouldn't
sell, wouldn't be a success.

Gotcha. You did me in again.
--

I don't know many enthusiasts buying the 1D. Of course it's selling,
but
to
pros who can easily justify the extra $ for the larger sensor with less
noise, high frame rate & larger buffer, and weather sealed body.

So you missed the point I was making.

$500 between the 300D & 10D

$2,500 between the 10D & 1D MkII

The gap between the latter is 5x the gap between the 100D/10D. If I'm
wrong
and Canon puts the 1.3x sensor in a 10D successor, I'll admit I was
wrong.
I'm pretty comfortable in saying I won't have to do that.

Mark


Don't forget, though, pros justified a large percentage difference
between,
say, the ElanII ($400) and 1v ($2000), even though the "sensor" was
exactly
the same! G

--
Skip Middleton
http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com


The next version of 10D definitely need to have a new sensor. If they put a
plastic body and smaller buffer, it's not that unbelivable.

"Bob Hatch" wrote in message
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"RSD99" wrote in message

"George Preddy" posted:
"...
Sensor count (not recorded pixel count) is important though, and the
10D really needs a boost. This should help the camera get up to
speed. Especially if the DR is improved as Canon slowly drags their
CMOS manufacturing technology into the late 90's. Right now the 10D
isn't a usable camera outdoors.
..."

HeHeHeHeHe ...

Idiot ...

HeHeHeHeHe ...

I know. Every time we want to use our 10D outdoors we have to build a
building over the entire area. Expensive and inconvenient.

I have developed a design using PVC pipe which has save me greatly on my
constructions costs for my D-reb

- Harrison

"skymuffins" wrote in message
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"Bob Hatch" wrote in message
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"RSD99" wrote in message

"George Preddy" posted:
"...
Sensor count (not recorded pixel count) is important though, and the
10D really needs a boost. This should help the camera get up to
speed. Especially if the DR is improved as Canon slowly drags their
CMOS manufacturing technology into the late 90's. Right now the 10D
isn't a usable camera outdoors.
..."

HeHeHeHeHe ...

Idiot ...

HeHeHeHeHe ...

I know. Every time we want to use our 10D outdoors we have to build a
building over the entire area. Expensive and inconvenient.

I have developed a design using PVC pipe which has save me greatly on my
constructions costs for my D-reb

- Harrison


Since it probably knocks down and sets up more quickly than traditional
construction methods, I'd think it saves you considerable time in prep,
too... ;-)

--
Skip Middleton
http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com