new 10d mkII with 1.3x sensor

"Jytzel" wrote in message
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"david Smith" wrote in message
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Folks I just heard from a friend that Canon are going to release their
next 10d mk2 with the same sensor as the 1DmkII and that its
going to be announced in October and with cost of $1,800 approx.

I for one am not really impressed at the huge price increase for just 2
more MP

Can someone confirm whether there is any truth in this?

Hard to believe that. That would kill 1D markII.

Don't forget, the 10D offered 6mp when the 1D (mkI) only offered 4mp.

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david Smith wrote:

Folks I just heard from a friend that Canon are going to release their next 10d mk2 with the same sensor as the 1DmkII and that its
going to be announced in October and with cost of $1,800 approx.

I for one am not really impressed at the huge price increase for just 2 more MP


$300 or so increase for a MkII sensor? I think that is low. Aside from
megapixels, you also get a 1.3:1 crop factor vs. 1.6:1 with 10D and 300D
due to larger focal plane -- and larger is where the cost is.

Can someone confirm whether there is any truth in this?


Only Canon and the likely time is at PhotoKina around Oct 1.

Phil

Matti Vuori wrote:

"david Smith" wrote in
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I for one am not really impressed at the huge price increase for just
2 more MP


If you look and think carefully you'll notice that there is more to a
camera than just the pixel count.

Indeed! Far better 4MP good quality than 7 MP mediocre, for most uses.

btw, really like the begging - panhandling- dolphin...

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John McWilliams

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"david Smith" wrote in
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I for one am not really impressed at the huge price increase for just
2 more MP

If you look and think carefully you'll notice that there is more to a
camera than just the pixel count.

Sensor count (not recorded pixel count) is important though, and the
10D really needs a boost. This should help the camera get up to
speed. Especially if the DR is improved as Canon slowly drags their
CMOS manufacturing technology into the late 90's. Right now the 10D
isn't a usable camera outdoors.

In article , George
Preddy wrote:

Sensor count (not recorded pixel count) is important though, and the
10D really needs a boost. This should help the camera get up to
speed. Especially if the DR is improved as Canon slowly drags their
CMOS manufacturing technology into the late 90's. Right now the 10D
isn't a usable camera outdoors.

Crawl back in your hole and come back when you know something (should
be about the second of never).

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"Mark B." wrote in message
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"david Smith" wrote in message
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Folks I just heard from a friend that Canon are going to release their
next 10d mk2 with the same sensor as the 1DmkII and that its
going to be announced in October and with cost of $1,800 approx.

I for one am not really impressed at the huge price increase for just
2
more MP

Can someone confirm whether there is any truth in this?




It's a false rumor. There's NO WAY Canon is going to put the 1D MkII
sensor
in a 10D successor for that price. Wait for an official announcement
from
Canon and refrain from spreading unsubstantiated rumors. Do a search on
the
10D forum at dpreview, you'll see what I mean.

The 1D Mk.II is more camera than the 10D, so if they use the same sensor,
the 1D Mk.II is still more camera. There is buffer size, shooting speed
and
durability. Much the same as the Elan 7E vs.EOS 3. Or even the DRebel vs.
10D which also share a sensor, but are different cameras. I would imagine
there will be enough of a difference.




Doesn't matter. The huge sensor is a significant portion of the
manufacturing cost. Besides, it takes a faster processor to handle the
files. The 1D sensor can't simply be plopped into a 10D body, the
processing engine would have to be upgraded as well. If Canon does this,
the cost will be significantly higher than $2,000 and I don't think they
want to lose sales from this market segment. There's really nothing wrong
with the 1.6x crop sensor, other than the fact that the lenses are all
designed for full frame. If they stick with the 1.6x, lenses can be made
smaller & ligher, and therefore less expensive. True, the larger sensor
allows for higher mp count at less noise, but I suspect Canon will work out
a way to increase the mp count and still keep the noise down.

Mark

"Mark B." wrote in message


Doesn't matter. The huge sensor is a significant portion of the
manufacturing cost. Besides, it takes a faster processor to handle
the files. The 1D sensor can't simply be plopped into a 10D body, the
processing engine would have to be upgraded as well. If Canon does
this, the cost will be significantly higher than $2,000 and I don't
think they want to lose sales from this market segment. There's
really nothing wrong with the 1.6x crop sensor, other than the fact
that the lenses are all designed for full frame. If they stick with
the 1.6x, lenses can be made smaller & ligher, and therefore less
expensive. True, the larger sensor allows for higher mp count at
less noise, but I suspect Canon will work out a way to increase the
mp count and still keep the noise down.

Mark

You are right on. There is no way that Canon would do this. It would be like
taking the same sensor used in the 10D and putting it in a cheaper body,
disabling some of the features, adding a lens, slowing down the burst rate,
and reducing the buffer then selling it for about 1/3 the price.

Just couldn't be done. No way. If they did that 10D sales would drop like a
rock.



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this is at the bottom of most bad economic thinking." --P. J. O'Rourke
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From: "Bob Hatch"

You are right on. There is no way that Canon would do this. It would be like
taking the same sensor used in the 10D and putting it in a cheaper body,
disabling some of the features, adding a lens, slowing down the burst rate,
and reducing the buffer then selling it for about 1/3 the price.

You had me going there for a while Bob ... LOL.

Sure sounds like the dRebel if you change 1/3 to 2/3, doesn't it?

Mark B. wrote:

The huge sensor is a significant portion of the
manufacturing cost. Besides, it takes a faster processor to handle the
files. The 1D sensor can't simply be plopped into a 10D body, the
processing engine would have to be upgraded as well. If Canon does this,
the cost will be significantly higher than $2,000 and I don't think they
want to lose sales from this market segment.

I agree. Of course they could introduce two new cameras, one in this
range and the other lower in cost.

There's really nothing wrong
with the 1.6x crop sensor, other than the fact that the lenses are all
designed for full frame. If they stick with the 1.6x, lenses can be made
smaller & ligher, and therefore less expensive.

Assumes they will develop lenses (other than 300D kit lens) which will
work only with 1.6x. Seems unlikely, since they have both 1.3x and 1x
digitals and 1x film bodies. The trend will be toward reducing the 1.6
over time -- 1.3x prices will come down -- and who will want a lens
collection that will not stay with new bodies?

True, the larger sensor
allows for higher mp count at less noise, but I suspect Canon will work out
a way to increase the mp count and still keep the noise down.


Personally I think the difference between 6 and 8 mp would not be worth
the bother.

Phil

"Bill Hilton" wrote in message

From: "Bob Hatch"

You are right on. There is no way that Canon would do this. It would
be like taking the same sensor used in the 10D and putting it in a
cheaper body, disabling some of the features, adding a lens, slowing
down the burst rate, and reducing the buffer then selling it for
about 1/3 the price.

You had me going there for a while Bob ... LOL.

Sure sounds like the dRebel if you change 1/3 to 2/3, doesn't it?

Ya, screwed up on my math. 2/3 the price of the 10D would be correct. Take
out the lens and it's even less. Could/would Canon put the 8mp sensor in a
jazzed up 10D body and sell if for $1800? In a hot second.

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"Your money does not cause my poverty. Refusal to believe
this is at the bottom of most bad economic thinking." --P. J. O'Rourke
http://www.bobhatch.com