Will need new printer

On 18/09/2015 11:08, nospam wrote:
In article , Me
wrote:

So yes - if using the printer for B&W text etc, it will run down ink
levels in all the other cartridges, and surprisingly quickly if you were
to use it for a lot of small print jobs.

it's not surprisingly quickly. set it to b/w and the colour ink will
last well beyond it's use-by date. however it is important to print a
colour print every once in a while.

the issue you may be seeing is that not all print drivers and not all
printers support b/w only. however, for those that do, it really means
b/w only.

I hope the OP isn't relying on your "advice".

he should, since epson agrees with it.

No they don't. Do you think I dream up what I've posted here - like you
seem to be doing?
You're talking a lot of crap in this entire thread - you're way out of
your depth.

Figures for the R1800 a

"Some" (unspecified) amount of (all) ink is purged "to reduce the
viscosity of ink in the print head before starting to print". That's
every print job - regardless of automatic maintenance / flushing/purging
that the printer carries out anyway.

where 'some' is insignificant.

Epson don't state exact volume - so you're "assuming" it's insignificant.

Without user input:

Scheduled/ automatic flushing is carried out based on cumulative counter
data stored in EEPROM. Ink quantity flushed to the waste pads is as
follows:

1) 3.09g / 0.386g per colour cartridge. This operation is automatic when
replacing any cartridge.
2) 1.55g / 0.194g per colour - auto flushing cleaning cycle.

that has nothing to do with b/w printing.

Of course it does! You're still going to need to change cartridges, and
the printer is still going to flush/purge all the other colours through
the printhead - regardless of whether "black only" is selected in the
driver.

It may use a hell of a lot more than that in a manual cleaning cycle.
(if a second manual cycle is initiated within 7 minutes of the first
cycle, then the amount of ink used increases in two steps, to 6.47g per
flush in stage 3 cleaning).

successive clean cycles do use more ink. that's not news.

what apparently is news to you is that there's no need to do a cleaning
cycle at all unless the heads are clogged.

If you don't (think you "need" to) "do a cleaning cycle", the printer
will do one for you anyway - automatically - on a cycle determined by
the ink counter.
Even if you print nothing, but periodically power the printer on/off,
you'll end up with empty cartridges. Only if you don't change out an
empty cartridge is cleaning/purging suspended. What happens then - and
it may not take very long to happen - often doesn't have a happy ending.

On 09/17/2015 03:34 PM, Me wrote:
On 18/09/2015 07:50, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

My question is...

If I do B&W only does the printer also use the color ink.

My wife thinks that if I use it for B&W only I may end up running the
color cartridges out as well.

IIRC some printers have a setting for monochrome only. You might want to
check the Epson support groups.

every once in a while you say something that's correct.

Except there's a complication.
Even when set to use black only, the printer will purge a small amount
of ink through each coloured nozzle at the start and at the end of the
print cycle.
So yes - if using the printer for B&W text etc, it will run down ink
levels in all the other cartridges, and surprisingly quickly if you were
to use it for a lot of small print jobs.





Well I ran off three B&W prints then the printer entirely died...even
after a reset the lights just blink on and off...I've put the unopened
ink up for sale on the local CL and will drop the printer off at the
recycling center and be done with it.

Good news though, new printer should be here tomorrow!

In article , Me
wrote:

Figures for the R1800 a

"Some" (unspecified) amount of (all) ink is purged "to reduce the
viscosity of ink in the print head before starting to print". That's
every print job - regardless of automatic maintenance / flushing/purging
that the printer carries out anyway.

where 'some' is insignificant.

Epson don't state exact volume - so you're "assuming" it's insignificant.

you're assuming significant, and you are wrong.

i usually print b/w only (for plain text documents) and the level of
the colour cartridges has not changed as far as i can tell.

maybe there's a tiny change, but whatever it is, it's *not* noticeable.

what is clear is that the printer is *not* using colour ink for b/w
prints.



It may use a hell of a lot more than that in a manual cleaning cycle.
(if a second manual cycle is initiated within 7 minutes of the first
cycle, then the amount of ink used increases in two steps, to 6.47g per
flush in stage 3 cleaning).

successive clean cycles do use more ink. that's not news.

what apparently is news to you is that there's no need to do a cleaning
cycle at all unless the heads are clogged.

If you don't (think you "need" to) "do a cleaning cycle", the printer
will do one for you anyway - automatically - on a cycle determined by
the ink counter.

which happens no matter what type of printing you do.

Even if you print nothing, but periodically power the printer on/off,
you'll end up with empty cartridges. Only if you don't change out an
empty cartridge is cleaning/purging suspended. What happens then - and
it may not take very long to happen - often doesn't have a happy ending.

again, that has nothing to do with b/w printing.

On 09/17/2015 05:14 PM, Me wrote:
On 18/09/2015 08:40, nospam wrote:
In article , Me
wrote:

If I do B&W only does the printer also use the color ink.

My wife thinks that if I use it for B&W only I may end up running the
color cartridges out as well.

IIRC some printers have a setting for monochrome only. You might
want to
check the Epson support groups.

every once in a while you say something that's correct.

Except there's a complication.

no there isn't.

Even when set to use black only, the printer will purge a small amount
of ink through each coloured nozzle at the start and at the end of the
print cycle.

that's negligible, if any.

So yes - if using the printer for B&W text etc, it will run down ink
levels in all the other cartridges, and surprisingly quickly if you were
to use it for a lot of small print jobs.

Yep...When I did the first B&W print the yellow was low and after the
third print it was empty...so indeed it does use some color.

As I posted elsewhere though...now a moot point...the printer is now
totally dead.

It had ten good years of trouble-free performance!



it's not surprisingly quickly. set it to b/w and the colour ink will
last well beyond it's use-by date. however it is important to print a
colour print every once in a while.

the issue you may be seeing is that not all print drivers and not all
printers support b/w only. however, for those that do, it really means
b/w only.


I hope the OP isn't relying on your "advice".

Figures for the R1800 a

"Some" (unspecified) amount of (all) ink is purged "to reduce the
viscosity of ink in the print head before starting to print". That's
every print job - regardless of automatic maintenance / flushing/purging
that the printer carries out anyway.

Without user input:

Scheduled/ automatic flushing is carried out based on cumulative counter
data stored in EEPROM. Ink quantity flushed to the waste pads is as
follows:

1) 3.09g / 0.386g per colour cartridge. This operation is automatic when
replacing any cartridge.
2) 1.55g / 0.194g per colour - auto flushing cleaning cycle.

It may use a hell of a lot more than that in a manual cleaning cycle.
(if a second manual cycle is initiated within 7 minutes of the first
cycle, then the amount of ink used increases in two steps, to 6.47g per
flush in stage 3 cleaning).

In article , philo
wrote:

Yep...When I did the first B&W print the yellow was low and after the
third print it was empty...so indeed it does use some color.

then it wasn't b/w only.

i haven't replaced my colour carts in a long time. the b/w one is very
recent.

On 18/09/2015 11:39, philo wrote:
On 09/17/2015 03:34 PM, Me wrote:
On 18/09/2015 07:50, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

My question is...

If I do B&W only does the printer also use the color ink.

My wife thinks that if I use it for B&W only I may end up running the
color cartridges out as well.

IIRC some printers have a setting for monochrome only. You might
want to
check the Epson support groups.

every once in a while you say something that's correct.

Except there's a complication.
Even when set to use black only, the printer will purge a small amount
of ink through each coloured nozzle at the start and at the end of the
print cycle.
So yes - if using the printer for B&W text etc, it will run down ink
levels in all the other cartridges, and surprisingly quickly if you were
to use it for a lot of small print jobs.





Well I ran off three B&W prints then the printer entirely died...even
after a reset the lights just blink on and off...I've put the unopened
ink up for sale on the local CL and will drop the printer off at the
recycling center and be done with it.

Good news though, new printer should be here tomorrow!

Good luck with that.
FWIW (and a bit late now) - here is the R1800/2400 LED status indicator
chart from the service manual:

http://i.imgur.com/yg2eUaD.png

On 09/17/2015 06:59 PM, Me wrote:





Well I ran off three B&W prints then the printer entirely died...even
after a reset the lights just blink on and off...I've put the unopened
ink up for sale on the local CL and will drop the printer off at the
recycling center and be done with it.

Good news though, new printer should be here tomorrow!

Good luck with that.
FWIW (and a bit late now) - here is the R1800/2400 LED status indicator
chart from the service manual:

http://i.imgur.com/yg2eUaD.png





Thanks


btw basically ...it's shot

On 09/17/2015 04:02 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 16:40:36 -0400, nospam
wrote:

it's not surprisingly quickly. set it to b/w and the colour ink will
last well beyond it's use-by date.

Where is this date? I have just examined an Epson ink cartridge, and
the box that it came in along with three other cartridges, and there
is no use-by date.




I looked at my boxes of ink and there is a "use by date" stamped on the
bottom.


My wife and I sure did not know that and now looking, I see she did not
rotate properly because some of the left over ink is pretty old.

OTOH: Being in s sealed package it should still be good I'd think.

On 2015-09-17 21:02:56 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 16:40:36 -0400, nospam
wrote:

it's not surprisingly quickly. set it to b/w and the colour ink will
last well beyond it's use-by date.

Where is this date? I have just examined an Epson ink cartridge, and
the box that it came in along with three other cartridges, and there
is no use-by date.

My #96 Epson Ultra K3 ink cartridges for my R2880, have the use by date
on the bottom of the individual box.

....and for printing B&W I exchange the Matte Black for the Photo Black,
and it still uses a Light Black, and a Light, Light Black of the 8
cartridges. If those B&W prints require any sort of toning such as
sepia, or cyanotype the other 5 color carts are going to be used. So
even with B&W printing the Epson driver will access all of the carts.

My Epson all-in-one uses a Photo Black, along with the usual suspects
Y/M/C and an extra large Black cartridge. There is an option to print
color or B&W in that driver.


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Regards,

Savageduck

On 2015-09-17 21:20:43 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:09:53 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

it's not surprisingly quickly. set it to b/w and the colour ink will
last well beyond it's use-by date.

Where is this date? I have just examined an Epson ink cartridge, and
the box that it came in along with three other cartridges, and there
is no use-by date.

https://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/...?qaid=InkTech8
Epson ink cartridges have a suggested "Use before" date on the
cartridge packaging. To preserve optimum quality, Epson cartridges
are vacuum sealed in plastic packaging, but that vacuum seal can be
compromised after the "Use before" date identified on the cartridge
packaging. Also, the performance characteristics of the ink can be
compromised through evaporation and other factors after the "Use
before" date passes. Users can replace expired cartridges to assure
reliable, high quality printing, but the printers do not disable
cartridges after the suggested "Use before" date has passed.

I asked you where this information is located. Neither the Epson
cartridge that I have in my hand nor the box has a date on it. The
cartridge is still vacuum sealed.

Is this an invisible feature?

On the bottom of the box for the standard capacity set of 4 273
cartridges for my all-in-one Epson XP-610, I see "Best before 5, 2017".
https://db.tt/LVnEqZ7g
https://db.tt/0dErGdHb

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Regards,

Savageduck