Will need new printer

On 09/17/2015 02:33 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 9/17/2015 2:20 PM, philo wrote:
On 09/17/2015 09:44 AM, PeterN wrote:
On 9/16/2015 6:06 PM, philo wrote:
On 09/16/2015 01:57 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-09-16 18:43:25 +0000, nospam said:

In article , philo
wrote:


Thanks for the advice. Now that you mention it, I recall my wife
downloading the ICC color profile from Epson. The first test print
was
absolutely 100% perfect and we keep it in our living room to show
people
what great results we got.



My credit card billing cycle is closed, printer just ordered


Thank you very much...the $200 rebate this month sure made it easy on
the budget.


Which one did you get?




My wife ordered the P600

She has a lot of work to do, so hopefully it will get here Monday.

We did not need a larger printer because we rarely go larger than 13" x
19" and for the twice a year we need a larger print...I have a friend
who does large format prints professionally and we usually barter for
computer repair work.

Enjoy and have fun with it.




My wife is going to be the only one who uses it, but thank you.

On 09/17/2015 02:36 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 9/17/2015 2:22 PM, philo wrote:
On 09/17/2015 09:43 AM, PeterN wrote:



snip


Now that I have the old R1800 in my workshop and have confirmed there is
no way to get it working right for color...My B&W only test shows good
results.


My question is...

If I do B&W only does the printer also use the color ink.

My wife thinks that if I use it for B&W only I may end up running the
color cartridges out as well.

IIRC some printers have a setting for monochrome only. You might want to
check the Epson support groups.





I did look there and it seems there is a 3rd party driver specifically
for using the printer as B&W only...but I don't want to buy any software
for a "junk" printer.

Anyway I can experiment.

On 18/09/2015 07:50, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

My question is...

If I do B&W only does the printer also use the color ink.

My wife thinks that if I use it for B&W only I may end up running the
color cartridges out as well.

IIRC some printers have a setting for monochrome only. You might want to
check the Epson support groups.

every once in a while you say something that's correct.

Except there's a complication.
Even when set to use black only, the printer will purge a small amount
of ink through each coloured nozzle at the start and at the end of the
print cycle.
So yes - if using the printer for B&W text etc, it will run down ink
levels in all the other cartridges, and surprisingly quickly if you were
to use it for a lot of small print jobs.

On 09/17/2015 09:39 AM, PeterN wrote:
O
Anyway...now some of the pros I know are switching to Canon.

What's the best printer to get today. We do not need anything larger
than 13" x 19"

FWIIW I know of organization that was given a substantial grant from
Canon. They used the money to purchase Epson 2880 printers.





Wow!

In article , Me
wrote:

If I do B&W only does the printer also use the color ink.

My wife thinks that if I use it for B&W only I may end up running the
color cartridges out as well.

IIRC some printers have a setting for monochrome only. You might want to
check the Epson support groups.

every once in a while you say something that's correct.

Except there's a complication.

no there isn't.

Even when set to use black only, the printer will purge a small amount
of ink through each coloured nozzle at the start and at the end of the
print cycle.

that's negligible, if any.

So yes - if using the printer for B&W text etc, it will run down ink
levels in all the other cartridges, and surprisingly quickly if you were
to use it for a lot of small print jobs.

it's not surprisingly quickly. set it to b/w and the colour ink will
last well beyond it's use-by date. however it is important to print a
colour print every once in a while.

the issue you may be seeing is that not all print drivers and not all
printers support b/w only. however, for those that do, it really means
b/w only.

In article , philo
wrote:

IIRC some printers have a setting for monochrome only. You might want to
check the Epson support groups.


I did look there and it seems there is a 3rd party driver specifically
for using the printer as B&W only...but I don't want to buy any software
for a "junk" printer.

there's no need for a third party driver and why would anyone be
selling a printer driver anyway?

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

it's not surprisingly quickly. set it to b/w and the colour ink will
last well beyond it's use-by date.

Where is this date? I have just examined an Epson ink cartridge, and
the box that it came in along with three other cartridges, and there
is no use-by date.

https://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/...?qaid=InkTech8
Epson ink cartridges have a suggested "Use before" date on the
cartridge packaging. To preserve optimum quality, Epson cartridges
are vacuum sealed in plastic packaging, but that vacuum seal can be
compromised after the "Use before" date identified on the cartridge
packaging. Also, the performance characteristics of the ink can be
compromised through evaporation and other factors after the "Use
before" date passes. Users can replace expired cartridges to assure
reliable, high quality printing, but the printers do not disable
cartridges after the suggested "Use before" date has passed.

On 18/09/2015 08:40, nospam wrote:
In article , Me
wrote:

If I do B&W only does the printer also use the color ink.

My wife thinks that if I use it for B&W only I may end up running the
color cartridges out as well.

IIRC some printers have a setting for monochrome only. You might want to
check the Epson support groups.

every once in a while you say something that's correct.

Except there's a complication.

no there isn't.

Even when set to use black only, the printer will purge a small amount
of ink through each coloured nozzle at the start and at the end of the
print cycle.

that's negligible, if any.

So yes - if using the printer for B&W text etc, it will run down ink
levels in all the other cartridges, and surprisingly quickly if you were
to use it for a lot of small print jobs.

it's not surprisingly quickly. set it to b/w and the colour ink will
last well beyond it's use-by date. however it is important to print a
colour print every once in a while.

the issue you may be seeing is that not all print drivers and not all
printers support b/w only. however, for those that do, it really means
b/w only.


I hope the OP isn't relying on your "advice".

Figures for the R1800 a

"Some" (unspecified) amount of (all) ink is purged "to reduce the
viscosity of ink in the print head before starting to print". That's
every print job - regardless of automatic maintenance / flushing/purging
that the printer carries out anyway.

Without user input:

Scheduled/ automatic flushing is carried out based on cumulative counter
data stored in EEPROM. Ink quantity flushed to the waste pads is as
follows:

1) 3.09g / 0.386g per colour cartridge. This operation is automatic when
replacing any cartridge.
2) 1.55g / 0.194g per colour - auto flushing cleaning cycle.

It may use a hell of a lot more than that in a manual cleaning cycle.
(if a second manual cycle is initiated within 7 minutes of the first
cycle, then the amount of ink used increases in two steps, to 6.47g per
flush in stage 3 cleaning).

In article , Me
wrote:

So yes - if using the printer for B&W text etc, it will run down ink
levels in all the other cartridges, and surprisingly quickly if you were
to use it for a lot of small print jobs.

it's not surprisingly quickly. set it to b/w and the colour ink will
last well beyond it's use-by date. however it is important to print a
colour print every once in a while.

the issue you may be seeing is that not all print drivers and not all
printers support b/w only. however, for those that do, it really means
b/w only.

I hope the OP isn't relying on your "advice".

he should, since epson agrees with it.

Figures for the R1800 a

"Some" (unspecified) amount of (all) ink is purged "to reduce the
viscosity of ink in the print head before starting to print". That's
every print job - regardless of automatic maintenance / flushing/purging
that the printer carries out anyway.

where 'some' is insignificant.

Without user input:

Scheduled/ automatic flushing is carried out based on cumulative counter
data stored in EEPROM. Ink quantity flushed to the waste pads is as
follows:

1) 3.09g / 0.386g per colour cartridge. This operation is automatic when
replacing any cartridge.
2) 1.55g / 0.194g per colour - auto flushing cleaning cycle.

that has nothing to do with b/w printing.

It may use a hell of a lot more than that in a manual cleaning cycle.
(if a second manual cycle is initiated within 7 minutes of the first
cycle, then the amount of ink used increases in two steps, to 6.47g per
flush in stage 3 cleaning).

successive clean cycles do use more ink. that's not news.

what apparently is news to you is that there's no need to do a cleaning
cycle at all unless the heads are clogged.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

it's not surprisingly quickly. set it to b/w and the colour ink will
last well beyond it's use-by date.

Where is this date? I have just examined an Epson ink cartridge, and
the box that it came in along with three other cartridges, and there
is no use-by date.

https://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/...?qaid=InkTech8
Epson ink cartridges have a suggested "Use before" date on the
cartridge packaging. To preserve optimum quality, Epson cartridges
are vacuum sealed in plastic packaging, but that vacuum seal can be
compromised after the "Use before" date identified on the cartridge
packaging. Also, the performance characteristics of the ink can be
compromised through evaporation and other factors after the "Use
before" date passes. Users can replace expired cartridges to assure
reliable, high quality printing, but the printers do not disable
cartridges after the suggested "Use before" date has passed.

I asked you where this information is located.

that question was answered directly by epson: "on the cartridge
packaging".

what part is not clear?

Neither the Epson
cartridge that I have in my hand nor the box has a date on it. The
cartridge is still vacuum sealed.

Is this an invisible feature?

maybe yours are counterfeit.

it's normally on the bottom of the box.