Depth of field - two of them?

On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 11:01:37 -0500, nospam
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In article , Eric Stevens
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As best as I can recall, the official description at the time I bought
it was iPad Third Generation.

which was released in march, 2012, making it 7 years old.

it also tops out at ios 9, which is 4 versions old.

go dig up a similarly old pc and see how well it works today.


YOU ARE AN IMBECILE!

I NEVER SAID THE IPAD WAS THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM.

I HAVE SEVERAL TIMES DENIED THAT I AM BLAMING THE IPAD FOR THE
PROBLEM.

I HAVE SEVERAL TIMES SAID THAT THE PROBLEM WOULD BE LARGELY UNCHANGED
WHEN USING _ANY_ TABLET.

I HAVE SEVERAL TIMES SAID THAT THE PROBLEM STEMS FROM FOUR FACTORS:
1. THE ABSENCE OF A PHYSICAL KEYBOARD
2. THE LIMITATIONS OF THE SMALL SCREEN
3. THE NATURE OF THE APP DESIGNED FOR BOTH THE ABOVE.
4. THE WIFI LINK

NOW GO AWAY!
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 03:20:00 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
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On Tuesday, 12 February 2019 23:56:02 UTC, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 06:30:28 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Saturday, 9 February 2019 07:55:47 UTC, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 02:41:17 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
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On Friday, 8 February 2019 01:34:02 UTC, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 05 Feb 2019 22:58:47 -0600, Bill W
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On Wed, 06 Feb 2019 16:51:50 +1300, Eric Stevens
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Upload
speeds are about 25% of the upload speeds.

they should be the same.

In my case they are throttled.

your isp might be asymmetric, but that has nothing to do with the ipad.

But it is a factor in why I don't like using it for applications such
as Google.

I really hate to ask this, but are you using an ipad you got from a
cellular company? If so, are you sure it is switching over to wifi at
home? I ask this only because that was the issue my sister had.

It's a 3rd generation iPad I bought from Apple many years ago. It's
got lots of memory and room for a sim card but I have never got around
to installing one.

This show you have little understanding of an iPad.
The SIM card isn't for storage it'll just allow you to use a cellular network.

Has nospam recently given you a transfusion. I wasn't attributing
anything to the sim card (or not). I was meely describing the iPad.

How do Aple describe such ipads ?
it's Wifi or wifi and cellular .

Why mention the SIM ?

To help discriminate my iPad from other possible models of iPad.

Not that it does that as your ipad isn't the only one to have a SIM slot, which has nothing to do with memory anyway.
It's like saying yuor car has a stereo CD players to help narrow down the model number.

That would have made a difference if not all models of that car had CD
players.



It makes little difference to the overall fucnctioning of the ipad.

It takes up space. Something probably had to be replaced or modified
to make room for it. I have no idea of what, if anything, might have
been affected. So I told you.




The momory of each iPad is fixed you can;lt change it or buy more and I doubt yuo know how much memeory yuor ipad has

64 GB storage.

but that's not memory is it.
I bet you have memory and storage in your PC as do all computers.

The iPad air 2 has 2GB of Memory ,
Irrespective of th4e colour, whether you can install a SIM or whether you purchased 32? 64GB 128GB 256GB the MEMORY is fixed to 2GB.

The third and fourth generation have only 1 GB LPDDR2.

But they weren't iPad air 2s and the upad pros come with 4GB or 6GB.
they all have the SIM slot so having a SIM slot doesn;t say muvh about the actual ipad.
One day all we'll have if virtual SIMS as default.



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Eric Stevens

On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 03:17:07 -0600, Savageduck
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Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 00:28:59 -0500, nospam
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


It's advice that you have misread and
misunderstood what I wrote. I never said that Safari takes 8 seconds.

searching via google certainly doesn't take 8 seconds. it's *instant*,
with search suggestions auto-populating as you type, much like on a
desktop computer...

Now for your third try at reading and understanding what I wrote.
Hint: I said nothing about the time for searching in Google.

if it's not searching time, then it must be app launch time.

do try to keep your story straight.

I wrote:

" By actual test the Google app takes 30 seconds from start
to finish before I can start typing. Google via Safari takes about
8 seconds or a little more."

By implication and common usage "Google via Safari takes about
8 seconds or a little more before I can start typing".

as i said, something is wrong.

launching safari on my original (and comparatively) slow ipad takes
about 1 second, with google searches showing results immediately, as i
type.

But not if you have to first load Google into Safari.

Why would you need to first load Google into Safari on your iPad?

Because the Google app is very slow to load, mainly because it insists
on loading the first page with Google News items. If when loading
Safari you see the Google icon, Google loads almost instantaneously
and doesn't shuffle all the other garbage back and forwards as it
updates.

With Safari on my iPad to search using Google all I have to do is enter the
search criteria into the Safari URL window and hit return. That runs pretty
quick.

Does that search via Google?

The other option is to use the Google app, enter search criteria into the
search window and the result is virtually instantaneous.

Thats the on which takes 30 seconds to load to the point of entering
text.

Then there are other search apps such as Bing, and DuckDuckGo.

I use them on the desktop.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 03:22:40 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
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On Tuesday, 12 February 2019 23:58:21 UTC, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 06:47:06 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
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On Saturday, 9 February 2019 08:11:27 UTC, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 03:13:39 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
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On Friday, 8 February 2019 09:35:15 UTC, Eric Stevens wrote:


As does throttled HS Fibre.

How do you know it;s throttled and not just a crap server or bad connection or over use because the ISP is taking on more than they have capacity for which has happened in the UK.

Because ikt is in my contract with my ISP. I could get it completely
unthrottled but that would cost me more. I don't need it.

So your PC is also throttled then, ISPs don't throttle individual products.

I said that right back near the beginning.

My ISP applies throttling on the cheaper connection deals you can have.
something like on 9-5 weekdays during peak demand.
If you pay more than throttle less.
Sometimes they throttle individual services such as bittorrent.

I don;t thik they have the ability (yet) to target particular devices and decide well we'll only thottle ipads today and tomorro it will be samsung paid and the day after dell PCs etc...

It's only in nospam's mind that anyone is targeting iPads.

You seemed to be by claiming the iPad was slower in some way when using google .

It's ceretainly slower than my desk top. The connection is slower. The
user interface is slower. But lets not go back over all that again.

Have you proved their interface is slower, slower in what way ?

You've said it takes 10 seconds to start up......

To start up the app.

but nit said how long yuor PC takes to start up, the ones here even with SSD can take 30 seconds

2-3 seconds for Google.

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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 11:01:40 -0500, nospam
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In article , Eric Stevens
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This is not a discussion about what might
be. It's a discussion about what is.

except your 'what is' is broken and you don't want to fix it.

You keep arguing as if I think the problem is in my iPad.

nope. it's also your router.

why in the world would you cripple a gigabit uplink with an outdated
802.11n router????

Because my ISP can manage it. They could not manage my previous
undoubtedly crappy router which fact caused me all kinds of problems.
This was before I ran the ethernet cables.

there's nothing to manage. set it up once and it's done.

Until you get garbage down the line which scarmbles the router's
brains. Don't say it can't happen. In the early days of the fibre
connection it was happening every one or two weeks. And then the ISP
help desk would want me to take my laptop downstairs to wire connect
to the router. It didn't help that I didn't have a laptop and only had
wifi connection to my desktop.

does it even have gigabit ports? many early n routers did not, since
1x1 can't go that fast.

not gonna answer that?

It's got 4 of them + a similar WAN port.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 04:00:01 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
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On Wednesday, 13 February 2019 00:06:38 UTC, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 07:52:46 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
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So nothing to do with the ipad then

I never said it was, except to the extent that it uses wifi while my
desktop is hard wired.

So why bother ?
If you're wifi is so much slower than a hard wired link then perhaps it's time to change yuor router or up the amount you pay to get a better service.

As I have (sigh) already explained, the local area is cluttered with
interfering wifi networks. Channels interfere with each other and
network efficiency is low.

So get it sorted use a differnt channel.

They are all doing that.

Thick people will think that it's slower on the iPad because it's an ipad.

Thick people seem to think that was what I was saying. :-(

Maybe it's because that's what you said.

Go and find find what I actually said.



My desktop is not wifi.

My iMac can, can't you're PC do wifi ?

It was on wifi but I went to a great deal of trouble to get a Cat6
connection.

Sounds a bit OTT, we've just had that installed in our new lab 5e would have been ok , but I think you need specail connectors and cable which makes it expensive, but with 96 PC wanting teh fastest link to our 200+ servers.

The connectors look the same but there are subtle differences which
affect the capacitances.

So tell me now you have this link what sort of speeds are you getting.

try https://www.speedtest.net/

all you have to do is press go.

Right now it's 105.49/16.15


I'd use an independent checker, they usually select the fasterst local server.

Understood, but I am using a particular server which is not
necessarily the fastest. I want to know what I _am_ getting, not what
I might be able to get elsewhere.

Then why get cat 6 cable when you're server might be the problem, anyway the 'internet' tries to select the fasterest server rather than the slowest.

The interdevice network (2 computers, 2 printers) is running 1000G. I
could get it from my ISP too, if I was prepared to pay for it. But as
I have already explained, I would get no real benefit from doing so.


You are as bad as nospam. This is not a discussion about what might
be. It's a discussion about what is. As to the speed of a key stroke,
have you considered the possibility that different software
applications might give rise to entirely different user applications
on different devices?

Yes but it is tiny compared to anything else, but this sort of thing is important to gamers so they might know more. But unless yuor playing some high end game I'm betting this isnlt the reason for your slow wifi.

You clearly don't understand. Are you able to run Google on an iPad?
Have you got one?

Now what about this 10 second startup time ?
One reason we went cat 6 is because our PCS are dual boot and use the network for booting and if you have 96 PCs all trying to get online or downloading windows updates, or booting from the server.
So I realyl don;t know of any individual that would NEED cat6 for doing google searches, because their connection is slow.

If I want to get to work quicker I could buy a lamborgini but with 20 MPH speed limits on all the roads around here it wouldn't be any quicker than the bus/tube.

That's why there is no real point in me getting a faster iPad.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

As best as I can recall, the official description at the time I bought
it was iPad Third Generation.

which was released in march, 2012, making it 7 years old.

it also tops out at ios 9, which is 4 versions old.

go dig up a similarly old pc and see how well it works today.

YOU ARE AN IMBECILE!

ad hominem.

I NEVER SAID THE IPAD WAS THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM.

actually, you did.

I HAVE SEVERAL TIMES DENIED THAT I AM BLAMING THE IPAD FOR THE
PROBLEM.

deny it all you want. you did blame the ipad.

I HAVE SEVERAL TIMES SAID THAT THE PROBLEM WOULD BE LARGELY UNCHANGED
WHEN USING _ANY_ TABLET.

and several people have told you that is absolutely false.

I HAVE SEVERAL TIMES SAID THAT THE PROBLEM STEMS FROM FOUR FACTORS:

none of which are actually the problem.

1. THE ABSENCE OF A PHYSICAL KEYBOARD

use a bluetooth or usb keyboard, which can even be the one you use on
your desktop computer.

not that it will improve search speed, and quite possibly, make things
slower.

2. THE LIMITATIONS OF THE SMALL SCREEN

there are no such limitations and screen size has nothing to do with
search speed anyway.

but if you prefer, you can use an external display, including the one
you use with your desktop computer.

3. THE NATURE OF THE APP DESIGNED FOR BOTH THE ABOVE.

as you've repeatedly been told, and which you've agreed, the google app
is *not* required.

all that's needed is a browser (any browser), just like you use on your
desktop computer, or just search directly from the home screen without
any app at all.

4. THE WIFI LINK

searches do not saturate your wifi link, therefore it *can't* be a
factor.

and for the record, ios devices running ios 10 or later support wired
ethernet, but unfortunately, your ipad is too old and ends at ios 9.

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


It makes little difference to the overall fucnctioning of the ipad.

It takes up space. Something probably had to be replaced or modified
to make room for it.

nope. the space is empty in a wifi ipad.

I have no idea of what, if anything, might have
been affected. So I told you.

the difference is that wifi ipads don't have a cellular radio.

that's why the ones with a cellular radio are called wifi+cellular.

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

By implication and common usage "Google via Safari takes about
8 seconds or a little more before I can start typing".

as i said, something is wrong.

launching safari on my original (and comparatively) slow ipad takes
about 1 second, with google searches showing results immediately, as i
type.

But not if you have to first load Google into Safari.

Why would you need to first load Google into Safari on your iPad?

Because the Google app is very slow to load,

are you not paying attention? don't use that app.

do you use a google app on your windows pc?
if not, why are you using one on the ipad?

mainly because it insists
on loading the first page with Google News items.

i don't use the google app, but that might be a user selectable option.

although a better solution is to not use the app.

or leave it running, then the startup time is eliminated.

If when loading
Safari you see the Google icon, Google loads almost instantaneously
and doesn't shuffle all the other garbage back and forwards as it
updates.

so it's not slower and this entire thing was fabricated. wow.

your story keeps changing.

With Safari on my iPad to search using Google all I have to do is enter the
search criteria into the Safari URL window and hit return. That runs pretty
quick.

Does that search via Google?

it does if you set your default search engine to google.

you can choose others if you prefer.

The other option is to use the Google app, enter search criteria into the
search window and the result is virtually instantaneous.

Thats the on which takes 30 seconds to load to the point of entering
text.

as you've been told, don't use that app.

Then there are other search apps such as Bing, and DuckDuckGo.

I use them on the desktop.

what for? they're not needed either.

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

It's ceretainly slower than my desk top. The connection is slower. The
user interface is slower. But lets not go back over all that again.

Have you proved their interface is slower, slower in what way ?

You've said it takes 10 seconds to start up......

To start up the app.

but nit said how long yuor PC takes to start up, the ones here even with SSD can take 30 seconds

2-3 seconds for Google.

you're using a google app in windows???