More Lightroom CC/6

On 2015-04-28 00:46:40 +0000, PeterN said:

On 4/27/2015 6:46 PM, Bill W wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 17:57:48 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 4/27/2015 1:01 PM, Savageduck wrote:

snip

BTW: A further exploration of past exposure bracket sets, took me back
to 2009 and the Salinas Air Show. Here is a comparison of a 0EV vs a
+2EV/-2EV HDR processed with the LR CC merge to HDR.
https://db.tt/14xvlN5l

I have not yet used LR 6. So I don't konw how easy it is to control the
output differential? i.e. In image 2 if I wanted the interior of the
engine to be a bit darker, can the be done as part of the HDR process,
or must I use an exposure adjustment mask.

I haven't done any bracketed camera shots yet, but there is a very
quick way to do single exposure HDR in LR6. I just created virtual
copies of the photo I wanted to adjust. You can quickly create as many
as you want using Ctrl '. Then you make exposure adjustments to the
virtual copies, and merge them with the original, or just themselves.
Those virtual copies don't clog the hard drive, so it's a very
painless way to do this, and the results were pretty good for me.

i have tried making copies in ACR. First I set the exposure as close to
normal as I could, then made all other ACR adjustments. I then made two
copies, one 2 stops overexposed, and the other two stops undewr. I
rarely had satisfactory resulte after the HDR mergs. I was happier with
maksing and adjusting, tedious though that technique is.

Forget ACR just use Lightroom CC/6, it is easier, quicker and much
better than having to deal with that in ACR & PS.
Work with RAW, or DNG, not JPEG.
Without any prior adjustments (or just click on the Reset button in the
Develop module), create one virtual copy of the original.
In the Basic panel make the -2 EV adjustment to one, and the +2 EV
adjustment to the other.
Holding down the Command button, select those two, and right click.
from the pop-up menu select *Photo Merge - HDR* ( or "^H").

Once the processing is complete a 32-bit DNG will b added to the photo
strip. Now you can adjust that as if it was a brand new RAW file.

Here is a quick demo:
http://adobe.ly/1ELqHiY

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2015-04-28 01:09:18 +0000, PeterN said:

On 4/27/2015 8:26 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-04-28 00:07:48 +0000, Savageduck said:
On 2015-04-27 22:46:39 +0000, Bill W said:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 17:57:48 -0400, PeterN
wrote:
On 4/27/2015 1:01 PM, Savageduck wrote:

snip

BTW: A further exploration of past exposure bracket sets, took me back
to 2009 and the Salinas Air Show. Here is a comparison of a 0EV vs a
+2EV/-2EV HDR processed with the LR CC merge to HDR.
https://db.tt/14xvlN5l

I have not yet used LR 6. So I don't konw how easy it is to control the
output differential? i.e. In image 2 if I wanted the interior of the
engine to be a bit darker, can the be done as part of the HDR process,
or must I use an exposure adjustment mask.

I haven't done any bracketed camera shots yet, but there is a very
quick way to do single exposure HDR in LR6. I just created virtual
copies of the photo I wanted to adjust. You can quickly create as many
as you want using Ctrl '. Then you make exposure adjustments to the
virtual copies, and merge them with the original, or just themselves.
Those virtual copies don't clog the hard drive, so it's a very
painless way to do this, and the results were pretty good for me.

I need to try that experiment. I assume you are using RAW or DNG files.

Is the result a 32-bit DNG?
You can check by looking at the *Exposure* slider to see if the
adjustment range is now -10 to +10.
...but I will check that myself.

I just checked and that returns a true 32-bit HDR DNG, that is realistic
without most of the issues found in Photomatix or NIK HDR Efex Pro.

BTW: all you have to do is use the original & one virtual copy,(or if
you want two virtual copies) just adjust the exposure at least -2 on
one, and +2 on the other. There is no need to enable the deghosting as
it is the same image, so no ghosts to deal with.

This is my single exposure example:
http://adobe.ly/1ExTyFE

The result iis much better than doing it in ACR.

Of course it is.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2015-04-28 01:39:26 +0000, PeterN said:

On 4/27/2015 9:17 PM, Bill W wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 20:46:40 -0400, PeterN
wrote:
On 4/27/2015 6:46 PM, Bill W wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 17:57:48 -0400, PeterN
wrote:
On 4/27/2015 1:01 PM, Savageduck wrote:

snip

BTW: A further exploration of past exposure bracket sets, took me back
to 2009 and the Salinas Air Show. Here is a comparison of a 0EV vs a
+2EV/-2EV HDR processed with the LR CC merge to HDR.
https://db.tt/14xvlN5l

I have not yet used LR 6. So I don't konw how easy it is to control the
output differential? i.e. In image 2 if I wanted the interior of the
engine to be a bit darker, can the be done as part of the HDR process,
or must I use an exposure adjustment mask.

I haven't done any bracketed camera shots yet, but there is a very
quick way to do single exposure HDR in LR6. I just created virtual
copies of the photo I wanted to adjust. You can quickly create as many
as you want using Ctrl '. Then you make exposure adjustments to the
virtual copies, and merge them with the original, or just themselves.
Those virtual copies don't clog the hard drive, so it's a very
painless way to do this, and the results were pretty good for me.

i have tried making copies in ACR. First I set the exposure as close to
normal as I could, then made all other ACR adjustments. I then made two
copies, one 2 stops overexposed, and the other two stops undewr. I
rarely had satisfactory resulte after the HDR mergs. I was happier with
maksing and adjusting, tedious though that technique is.

I'm not using ACR at all - or at least I'm not in that window. I start
with a raw file in LR, make however many virtual copies I need, set
only the exposure in each one, and merge. After that, you are still
working with a raw file, and can make any further adjustments you
like. If nothing else, it's a good, quick start with a problem photo.
But like I said, I would make no other adjustments whatsoever, other
than exposure, before the merge.

I suspect there may be a significant change in the development engiine of LR6.

There is.

Next week I plan to attend a live workshop on LR6. I put my ego aside
to take a beginner's course.

Before you do that:
http://blogs.adobe.com/jkost/
http://blogs.adobe.com/jkost/2015/04/tips-for-creating-raw-hdr-images-in-lightroom-cc.html




--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2015-04-28 02:11:35 +0000, Savageduck said:

On 2015-04-28 00:46:40 +0000, PeterN said:
On 4/27/2015 6:46 PM, Bill W wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 17:57:48 -0400, PeterN
wrote:
On 4/27/2015 1:01 PM, Savageduck wrote:

snip

BTW: A further exploration of past exposure bracket sets, took me back
to 2009 and the Salinas Air Show. Here is a comparison of a 0EV vs a
+2EV/-2EV HDR processed with the LR CC merge to HDR.
https://db.tt/14xvlN5l

I have not yet used LR 6. So I don't konw how easy it is to control the
output differential? i.e. In image 2 if I wanted the interior of the
engine to be a bit darker, can the be done as part of the HDR process,
or must I use an exposure adjustment mask.

I haven't done any bracketed camera shots yet, but there is a very
quick way to do single exposure HDR in LR6. I just created virtual
copies of the photo I wanted to adjust. You can quickly create as many
as you want using Ctrl '. Then you make exposure adjustments to the
virtual copies, and merge them with the original, or just themselves.
Those virtual copies don't clog the hard drive, so it's a very
painless way to do this, and the results were pretty good for me.

i have tried making copies in ACR. First I set the exposure as close to
normal as I could, then made all other ACR adjustments. I then made two
copies, one 2 stops overexposed, and the other two stops undewr. I
rarely had satisfactory resulte after the HDR mergs. I was happier with
maksing and adjusting, tedious though that technique is.

Forget ACR just use Lightroom CC/6, it is easier, quicker and much
better than having to deal with that in ACR & PS.
Work with RAW, or DNG, not JPEG.
Without any prior adjustments (or just click on the Reset button in the
Develop module), create one virtual copy of the original.
In the Basic panel make the -2 EV adjustment to one, and the +2 EV
adjustment to the other.
Holding down the Command button, select those two, and right click.
from the pop-up menu select *Photo Merge - HDR* ( or "^H").

Once the processing is complete a 32-bit DNG will b added to the photo
strip. Now you can adjust that as if it was a brand new RAW file.

Here is a quick demo:
http://adobe.ly/1ELqHiY

Here is the final result:
http://adobe.ly/1EgDSoO

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 4/27/2015 10:05 PM, Bill W wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 21:39:26 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 4/27/2015 9:17 PM, Bill W wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 20:46:40 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 4/27/2015 6:46 PM, Bill W wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 17:57:48 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 4/27/2015 1:01 PM, Savageduck wrote:

snip


BTW: A further exploration of past exposure bracket sets, took me back
to 2009 and the Salinas Air Show. Here is a comparison of a 0EV vs a
+2EV/-2EV HDR processed with the LR CC merge to HDR.
https://db.tt/14xvlN5l


I have not yet used LR 6. So I don't konw how easy it is to control the
output differential? i.e. In image 2 if I wanted the interior of the
engine to be a bit darker, can the be done as part of the HDR process,
or must I use an exposure adjustment mask.

I haven't done any bracketed camera shots yet, but there is a very
quick way to do single exposure HDR in LR6. I just created virtual
copies of the photo I wanted to adjust. You can quickly create as many
as you want using Ctrl '. Then you make exposure adjustments to the
virtual copies, and merge them with the original, or just themselves.
Those virtual copies don't clog the hard drive, so it's a very
painless way to do this, and the results were pretty good for me.


i have tried making copies in ACR. First I set the exposure as close to
normal as I could, then made all other ACR adjustments. I then made two
copies, one 2 stops overexposed, and the other two stops undewr. I
rarely had satisfactory resulte after the HDR mergs. I was happier with
maksing and adjusting, tedious though that technique is.

I'm not using ACR at all - or at least I'm not in that window. I start
with a raw file in LR, make however many virtual copies I need, set
only the exposure in each one, and merge. After that, you are still
working with a raw file, and can make any further adjustments you
like. If nothing else, it's a good, quick start with a problem photo.
But like I said, I would make no other adjustments whatsoever, other
than exposure, before the merge.


I suspect there may be a significant change in the development engiine
of LR6. Next week I plan to attend a live workshop on LR6. I put my ego
aside to take a beginner's course.

Savageduck posted a lot of links to tutorials. They were all very
helpful to me, and I was already somewhat familiar with LR. I started
with it a few years ago, but then stopped because I couldn't see much
difference between using LR, or using PS with layers. Either way, it's
non-destructive, and PS had more uses. I think there is now value in
using both.


Those tutorials are good. But at a live workshop I have the chance to
ask questions when I get a mental block. Anyway the one I am going to is
a B&H event, and the price is right.

--
PeterN

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 09:13:20 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 4/27/2015 10:05 PM, Bill W wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 21:39:26 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 4/27/2015 9:17 PM, Bill W wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 20:46:40 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 4/27/2015 6:46 PM, Bill W wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 17:57:48 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 4/27/2015 1:01 PM, Savageduck wrote:

snip


BTW: A further exploration of past exposure bracket sets, took me back
to 2009 and the Salinas Air Show. Here is a comparison of a 0EV vs a
+2EV/-2EV HDR processed with the LR CC merge to HDR.
https://db.tt/14xvlN5l


I have not yet used LR 6. So I don't konw how easy it is to control the
output differential? i.e. In image 2 if I wanted the interior of the
engine to be a bit darker, can the be done as part of the HDR process,
or must I use an exposure adjustment mask.

I haven't done any bracketed camera shots yet, but there is a very
quick way to do single exposure HDR in LR6. I just created virtual
copies of the photo I wanted to adjust. You can quickly create as many
as you want using Ctrl '. Then you make exposure adjustments to the
virtual copies, and merge them with the original, or just themselves.
Those virtual copies don't clog the hard drive, so it's a very
painless way to do this, and the results were pretty good for me.


i have tried making copies in ACR. First I set the exposure as close to
normal as I could, then made all other ACR adjustments. I then made two
copies, one 2 stops overexposed, and the other two stops undewr. I
rarely had satisfactory resulte after the HDR mergs. I was happier with
maksing and adjusting, tedious though that technique is.

I'm not using ACR at all - or at least I'm not in that window. I start
with a raw file in LR, make however many virtual copies I need, set
only the exposure in each one, and merge. After that, you are still
working with a raw file, and can make any further adjustments you
like. If nothing else, it's a good, quick start with a problem photo.
But like I said, I would make no other adjustments whatsoever, other
than exposure, before the merge.


I suspect there may be a significant change in the development engiine
of LR6. Next week I plan to attend a live workshop on LR6. I put my ego
aside to take a beginner's course.

Savageduck posted a lot of links to tutorials. They were all very
helpful to me, and I was already somewhat familiar with LR. I started
with it a few years ago, but then stopped because I couldn't see much
difference between using LR, or using PS with layers. Either way, it's
non-destructive, and PS had more uses. I think there is now value in
using both.


Those tutorials are good. But at a live workshop I have the chance to
ask questions when I get a mental block.

Ah, well that is a good point.

Anyway the one I am going to is
a B&H event, and the price is right.

How much are those? I never paid much attention to their ads for those
things.

On 4/28/2015 11:06 AM, Bill W wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 09:13:20 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 4/27/2015 10:05 PM, Bill W wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 21:39:26 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 4/27/2015 9:17 PM, Bill W wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 20:46:40 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 4/27/2015 6:46 PM, Bill W wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 17:57:48 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 4/27/2015 1:01 PM, Savageduck wrote:

snip


BTW: A further exploration of past exposure bracket sets, took me back
to 2009 and the Salinas Air Show. Here is a comparison of a 0EV vs a
+2EV/-2EV HDR processed with the LR CC merge to HDR.
https://db.tt/14xvlN5l


I have not yet used LR 6. So I don't konw how easy it is to control the
output differential? i.e. In image 2 if I wanted the interior of the
engine to be a bit darker, can the be done as part of the HDR process,
or must I use an exposure adjustment mask.

I haven't done any bracketed camera shots yet, but there is a very
quick way to do single exposure HDR in LR6. I just created virtual
copies of the photo I wanted to adjust. You can quickly create as many
as you want using Ctrl '. Then you make exposure adjustments to the
virtual copies, and merge them with the original, or just themselves.
Those virtual copies don't clog the hard drive, so it's a very
painless way to do this, and the results were pretty good for me.


i have tried making copies in ACR. First I set the exposure as close to
normal as I could, then made all other ACR adjustments. I then made two
copies, one 2 stops overexposed, and the other two stops undewr. I
rarely had satisfactory resulte after the HDR mergs. I was happier with
maksing and adjusting, tedious though that technique is.

I'm not using ACR at all - or at least I'm not in that window. I start
with a raw file in LR, make however many virtual copies I need, set
only the exposure in each one, and merge. After that, you are still
working with a raw file, and can make any further adjustments you
like. If nothing else, it's a good, quick start with a problem photo.
But like I said, I would make no other adjustments whatsoever, other
than exposure, before the merge.


I suspect there may be a significant change in the development engiine
of LR6. Next week I plan to attend a live workshop on LR6. I put my ego
aside to take a beginner's course.

Savageduck posted a lot of links to tutorials. They were all very
helpful to me, and I was already somewhat familiar with LR. I started
with it a few years ago, but then stopped because I couldn't see much
difference between using LR, or using PS with layers. Either way, it's
non-destructive, and PS had more uses. I think there is now value in
using both.


Those tutorials are good. But at a live workshop I have the chance to
ask questions when I get a mental block.

Ah, well that is a good point.

Anyway the one I am going to is
a B&H event, and the price is right.

How much are those? I never paid much attention to their ads for those
things.


If you live within a reasonable distance, you should. Naturally a lot of
their events are sales oriented, those I have attended have been highly
informative. May 3rd & 4th are full day events with a lot to choose
from. While some courses appear to be full, I have never been closed out
of a class I wanted to go to.
BTW, the price of admission includes dinner on Monday night, and many of
us who go Sunday and Monday will be going on a boat ride around
Manhattan, at the all inclusive price.

For four out of the last six years years I have been going to seminars
at the NECCC. If you are interested, find a hotel as soon as you to be
near the conference. Two years ago one of my friends, who has more balls
than I, made arraingements. He asked for the organizational rate, and
told them we were part of a group called "Cameras in Action," except he
just used the abbreviation. We go great rates.


http://www.neccc.org/p/2015-conf.html
--
PeterN

On 4/28/2015 12:37 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 4/28/2015 11:06 AM, Bill W wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 09:13:20 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 4/27/2015 10:05 PM, Bill W wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 21:39:26 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 4/27/2015 9:17 PM, Bill W wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 20:46:40 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 4/27/2015 6:46 PM, Bill W wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 17:57:48 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 4/27/2015 1:01 PM, Savageduck wrote:

snip


BTW: A further exploration of past exposure bracket sets, took
me back
to 2009 and the Salinas Air Show. Here is a comparison of a
0EV vs a
+2EV/-2EV HDR processed with the LR CC merge to HDR.
https://db.tt/14xvlN5l


I have not yet used LR 6. So I don't konw how easy it is to
control the
output differential? i.e. In image 2 if I wanted the interior
of the
engine to be a bit darker, can the be done as part of the HDR
process,
or must I use an exposure adjustment mask.

I haven't done any bracketed camera shots yet, but there is a very
quick way to do single exposure HDR in LR6. I just created virtual
copies of the photo I wanted to adjust. You can quickly create
as many
as you want using Ctrl '. Then you make exposure adjustments
to the
virtual copies, and merge them with the original, or just
themselves.
Those virtual copies don't clog the hard drive, so it's a very
painless way to do this, and the results were pretty good for me.


i have tried making copies in ACR. First I set the exposure as
close to
normal as I could, then made all other ACR adjustments. I then
made two
copies, one 2 stops overexposed, and the other two stops undewr. I
rarely had satisfactory resulte after the HDR mergs. I was
happier with
maksing and adjusting, tedious though that technique is.

I'm not using ACR at all - or at least I'm not in that window. I
start
with a raw file in LR, make however many virtual copies I need, set
only the exposure in each one, and merge. After that, you are still
working with a raw file, and can make any further adjustments you
like. If nothing else, it's a good, quick start with a problem photo.
But like I said, I would make no other adjustments whatsoever, other
than exposure, before the merge.


I suspect there may be a significant change in the development engiine
of LR6. Next week I plan to attend a live workshop on LR6. I put my
ego
aside to take a beginner's course.

Savageduck posted a lot of links to tutorials. They were all very
helpful to me, and I was already somewhat familiar with LR. I started
with it a few years ago, but then stopped because I couldn't see much
difference between using LR, or using PS with layers. Either way, it's
non-destructive, and PS had more uses. I think there is now value in
using both.


Those tutorials are good. But at a live workshop I have the chance to
ask questions when I get a mental block.

Ah, well that is a good point.

Anyway the one I am going to is
a B&H event, and the price is right.

How much are those? I never paid much attention to their ads for those
things.


If you live within a reasonable distance, you should. Naturally a lot of
their events are sales oriented, those I have attended have been highly
informative. May 3rd & 4th are full day events with a lot to choose
from. While some courses appear to be full, I have never been closed out
of a class I wanted to go to.
BTW, the price of admission includes dinner on Monday night, and many of
us who go Sunday and Monday will be going on a boat ride around
Manhattan, at the all inclusive price.

For four out of the last six years years I have been going to seminars
at the NECCC. If you are interested, find a hotel as soon as you to be
near the conference. Two years ago one of my friends, who has more balls
than I, made arraingements. He asked for the organizational rate, and
told them we were part of a group called "Cameras in Action," except he
just used the abbreviation. We go great rates.


http://www.neccc.org/p/2015-conf.html

I have to correct myself. The LR6 workshop is not at B&H
\




--
PeterN

On 2015-04-28 17:09:54 +0000, PeterN said:

Le Snip

I have to correct myself. The LR6 workshop is not at B&H
\

OK! Do not resist. Just take a look at a couple of the videos, even if
it is just the Julieanne Kost, Terry White, Matt Kloskowski (now with
On1), or Kelby tutorials.
....or just go straight to Adobe's YouTube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/user/AdobeLightroom/videos

It seems that B&H tends to bring in Tim Grey in to run Lightroom and
Photoshop seminars and his workflow and methods don't seem particularly
good, or logical to me. At best he is promoting Tim Grey.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 4/28/2015 1:54 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-04-28 17:09:54 +0000, PeterN said:

Le Snip

I have to correct myself. The LR6 workshop is not at B&H
\

OK! Do not resist. Just take a look at a couple of the videos, even if
it is just the Julieanne Kost, Terry White, Matt Kloskowski (now with
On1), or Kelby tutorials.
...or just go straight to Adobe's YouTube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/user/AdobeLightroom/videos

It seems that B&H tends to bring in Tim Grey in to run Lightroom and
Photoshop seminars and his workflow and methods don't seem particularly
good, or logical to me. At best he is promoting Tim Grey.


No resistance from me. Ms. Kost is a great presenter. I met her many
years ago. I thought she was a nice, bright person.

I have lots of LR esourses, in addition to utube and Adobe. I also
subscribe to Kelby One, and Lynda.com.

--
PeterN