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Switched from Windows to Linux on old netbook. What a difference
On 02/22/2018 03:47 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Hart wrote: Same here. I have several machines that are 10-15 years old, and severely under-powered. They bogged down terribly with WinXP, but now run great with Lubuntu (a light-weight version of Ubuntu). Why bother about 10-15 years old computers when you can buy a new one for 200 Euro? If that is still too expensive, you could buy a Raspberry Pi and put Linux on it. I haven't done the Euro to Dollar conversion, but I haven't paid three digits for any of my old computers. then whatever you have is junk. That's quite presumptuous, since you have no idea what brands/models computers I have. What if some of my hardware is Apple? Ergo, based on your statement, Apple is junk. quality costs money. That is a generalization that is not universally true. For example, there are companies that scrap their hardware the minute it is fully depreciated (5 years). I have been "playing" with some pretty serious Cisco networking gear that I acquired just by showing up at the loading dock at the right time. Just because a widget is old is no reason to scrap it, especially if it still works well enough to use. then you must not be doing much. On that statement, I have to agree. I'm responding to your comments, so I'm not doing much. By the way, are you familiar with the Shift key? Or are you a big fan of poet e. e. cummings? -- Ken Hart |
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Switched from Windows to Linux on old netbook. What a difference
In article , Ken Hart
wrote: Same here. I have several machines that are 10-15 years old, and severely under-powered. They bogged down terribly with WinXP, but now run great with Lubuntu (a light-weight version of Ubuntu). Why bother about 10-15 years old computers when you can buy a new one for 200 Euro? If that is still too expensive, you could buy a Raspberry Pi and put Linux on it. I haven't done the Euro to Dollar conversion, but I haven't paid three digits for any of my old computers. then whatever you have is junk. That's quite presumptuous, since you have no idea what brands/models computers I have. it doesn't mater what brands/models they are. anything that is 'bogged down terribly with winxp' is junk. your words. winxp is hardly resource intensive. the reality is that they're long obsolete and cannot run modern software. What if some of my hardware is Apple? Ergo, based on your statement, Apple is junk. a 15 year old mac is also junk, except that it won't be 'bogged down terribly' running mac os x from its era. quality costs money. That is a generalization that is not universally true. For example, there are companies that scrap their hardware the minute it is fully depreciated (5 years). I have been "playing" with some pretty serious Cisco networking gear that I acquired just by showing up at the loading dock at the right time. 5 year old networking equipment isn't the issue. Just because a widget is old is no reason to scrap it, especially if it still works well enough to use. then you must not be doing much. On that statement, I have to agree. I'm responding to your comments, so I'm not doing much. By the way, are you familiar with the Shift key? Or are you a big fan of poet e. e. cummings? ad hominem. |
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Switched from Windows to Linux on old netbook. What a difference
On 02/22/2018 07:08 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Hart wrote: Same here. I have several machines that are 10-15 years old, and severely under-powered. They bogged down terribly with WinXP, but now run great with Lubuntu (a light-weight version of Ubuntu). Why bother about 10-15 years old computers when you can buy a new one for 200 Euro? If that is still too expensive, you could buy a Raspberry Pi and put Linux on it. I haven't done the Euro to Dollar conversion, but I haven't paid three digits for any of my old computers. then whatever you have is junk. That's quite presumptuous, since you have no idea what brands/models computers I have. it doesn't mater what brands/models they are. anything that is 'bogged down terribly with winxp' is junk. your words. winxp is hardly resource intensive. the reality is that they're long obsolete and cannot run modern software. Ubuntu (Lubuntu) 16.04 is fairly modern, and is what I am running now on all my "long obsolete" hardware. At the time I switched to Linux- (I don't recall the date, but it was around the time that XP was at announced end-of-life), most of my XP computers had trouble opening Facebook. After switching to Linux (then Lubuntu 14.04), my oldest and least powerful machines had no difficulty with that metric. What if some of my hardware is Apple? Ergo, based on your statement, Apple is junk. a 15 year old mac is also junk, except that it won't be 'bogged down terribly' running mac os x from its era. Again, I'm running reasonably modern Linux on older ("junk") machines with no difficulty. quality costs money. That is a generalization that is not universally true. For example, there are companies that scrap their hardware the minute it is fully depreciated (5 years). I have been "playing" with some pretty serious Cisco networking gear that I acquired just by showing up at the loading dock at the right time. 5 year old networking equipment isn't the issue. Five year old networking gear is only a recent example. I've acquired computers through corporate salvaging for little, if any money over the years. Five year old computer hardware has a lot of life (and quality) left in it. Just because a widget is old is no reason to scrap it, especially if it still works well enough to use. then you must not be doing much. On that statement, I have to agree. I'm responding to your comments, so I'm not doing much. By the way, are you familiar with the Shift key? Or are you a big fan of poet e. e. cummings? ad hominem. e. e. cummings did sometimes use upper-case letters. Perhaps you might consider doing the same. -- Ken Hart |
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Switched from Windows to Linux on old netbook. What a difference
In article , Ken Hart
wrote: Same here. I have several machines that are 10-15 years old, and severely under-powered. They bogged down terribly with WinXP, but now run great with Lubuntu (a light-weight version of Ubuntu). Why bother about 10-15 years old computers when you can buy a new one for 200 Euro? If that is still too expensive, you could buy a Raspberry Pi and put Linux on it. I haven't done the Euro to Dollar conversion, but I haven't paid three digits for any of my old computers. then whatever you have is junk. That's quite presumptuous, since you have no idea what brands/models computers I have. it doesn't mater what brands/models they are. anything that is 'bogged down terribly with winxp' is junk. your words. winxp is hardly resource intensive. the reality is that they're long obsolete and cannot run modern software. Ubuntu (Lubuntu) 16.04 is fairly modern, and is what I am running now on all my "long obsolete" hardware. ubuntu may be modern, but the hardware is too old to run modern software, which mostly doesn't exist for linux anyway. you can't run photoshop or lightroom under linux, even if you bought a brand new computer. old hardware might be ok for something like a (very) low demand server, but that's about it. At the time I switched to Linux- (I don't recall the date, but it was around the time that XP was at announced end-of-life), most of my XP computers had trouble opening Facebook. After switching to Linux (then Lubuntu 14.04), my oldest and least powerful machines had no difficulty with that metric. that's not winxp bogging down, that's a web browser bogging down, which most likely was not the same browser on each, rendering the comparison entirely bogus. What if some of my hardware is Apple? Ergo, based on your statement, Apple is junk. a 15 year old mac is also junk, except that it won't be 'bogged down terribly' running mac os x from its era. Again, I'm running reasonably modern Linux on older ("junk") machines with no difficulty. running linux is meaningless. what matters is what apps you're using. the main problem with linux is the sheer lack of quality software, photoshop and lightroom being two key examples that do not exist on linux. quality costs money. That is a generalization that is not universally true. For example, there are companies that scrap their hardware the minute it is fully depreciated (5 years). I have been "playing" with some pretty serious Cisco networking gear that I acquired just by showing up at the loading dock at the right time. 5 year old networking equipment isn't the issue. Five year old networking gear is only a recent example. I've acquired computers through corporate salvaging for little, if any money over the years. Five year old computer hardware has a lot of life (and quality) left in it. there's a reason why they dumped them. 5 year old hardware is also not the 10-15 year old hardware that you originally mentioned. goalpost movement disqualified. old hardware has its place, but falls flat with mainstream tasks. i have a 15 year old mac running a webcam 24/7 (with uptime over two years, non-stop). it's a very low demand task that's well suited for a machine that old. although possible, running an older version of photoshop on it would not be pleasant, particularly since a compatible version can't open photos from cameras made in the past decade or so. that's an instant show stopper right there. Just because a widget is old is no reason to scrap it, especially if it still works well enough to use. then you must not be doing much. On that statement, I have to agree. I'm responding to your comments, so I'm not doing much. By the way, are you familiar with the Shift key? Or are you a big fan of poet e. e. cummings? ad hominem. e. e. cummings did sometimes use upper-case letters. Perhaps you might consider doing the same. perhaps you might consider sticking to the topic and maybe even learning something in the process. |
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Switched from Windows to Linux on old netbook. What a difference
On 2018-02-23 03:30, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Hart wrote: Same here. I have several machines that are 10-15 years old, and severely under-powered. They bogged down terribly with WinXP, but now run great with Lubuntu (a light-weight version of Ubuntu). Why bother about 10-15 years old computers when you can buy a new one for 200 Euro? If that is still too expensive, you could buy a Raspberry Pi and put Linux on it. I haven't done the Euro to Dollar conversion, but I haven't paid three digits for any of my old computers. then whatever you have is junk. That's quite presumptuous, since you have no idea what brands/models computers I have. it doesn't mater what brands/models they are. anything that is 'bogged down terribly with winxp' is junk. your words. winxp is hardly resource intensive. the reality is that they're long obsolete and cannot run modern software. Ubuntu (Lubuntu) 16.04 is fairly modern, and is what I am running now on all my "long obsolete" hardware. ubuntu may be modern, but the hardware is too old to run modern software, which mostly doesn't exist for linux anyway. you can't run photoshop or lightroom under linux, even if you bought a brand new computer. Of course you can, if you find it. old hardware might be ok for something like a (very) low demand server, but that's about it. At the time I switched to Linux- (I don't recall the date, but it was around the time that XP was at announced end-of-life), most of my XP computers had trouble opening Facebook. After switching to Linux (then Lubuntu 14.04), my oldest and least powerful machines had no difficulty with that metric. that's not winxp bogging down, that's a web browser bogging down, which most likely was not the same browser on each, rendering the comparison entirely bogus. What if some of my hardware is Apple? Ergo, based on your statement, Apple is junk. a 15 year old mac is also junk, except that it won't be 'bogged down terribly' running mac os x from its era. Again, I'm running reasonably modern Linux on older ("junk") machines with no difficulty. running linux is meaningless. what matters is what apps you're using. the main problem with linux is the sheer lack of quality software, photoshop and lightroom being two key examples that do not exist on linux. Because nobody would buy them. Too bad quality software. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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Switched from Windows to Linux on old netbook. What a difference
On 2018-02-22 20:47:46 +0000, nospam said:
quality costs money. If "they" can get away with charging premium for "branded" crap "they" will... -- teleportation kills |
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Switched from Windows to Linux on old netbook. What a difference
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote: Ubuntu (Lubuntu) 16.04 is fairly modern, and is what I am running now on all my "long obsolete" hardware. ubuntu may be modern, but the hardware is too old to run modern software, which mostly doesn't exist for linux anyway. you can't run photoshop or lightroom under linux, even if you bought a brand new computer. Of course you can, if you find it. you can't find what doesn't exist, and with rare exception, what does exist is nowhere near as good as what's on mac/windows. Again, I'm running reasonably modern Linux on older ("junk") machines with no difficulty. running linux is meaningless. what matters is what apps you're using. the main problem with linux is the sheer lack of quality software, photoshop and lightroom being two key examples that do not exist on linux. Because nobody would buy them. true, because linux users are cheapskates and think everything should be free. writing software for linux is *not* profitable so few companies bother, which is why state of the art software is mac/windows and ios/android. Too bad quality software. nonsense. photoshop and lightroom are the standard to which others are compared. the linux equivalents, the gimp and darktable, are garbage, especially the gimp, which still cannot do things photoshop could do 20+ years ago as well as being *substantially* slower than photoshop on the very same hardware. |
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