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  #61  
Old May 25th 18, 03:16 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , David B.
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If so, I did not 'take' the image, I simple shared a link provided by
Savageduck which enabled folk to view the image in Savageduck's Dropbox
folder.


without his permission.

He's since chosen to withdraw that privilege, as is his right.


because of assholes like you.
  #62  
Old May 25th 18, 03:18 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 25-May-18 2:30 PM, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 25 May 2018 11:06:23 UTC+1, David B. wrote:
On 25-May-18 10:49 AM, Whisky-dave wrote:
davidB took SD's image that SD voluntarily shared knowing full well that is could be copied under the standard T&Cs that are creative commons license which DOES allow copying.


Morning Dave! :-)


Afternoon :-)


Point taken! Good afternoon. :-)

I need a reminder! Are you referring to the image of Savageduck's Cheetah?


Yes, as I assume that is an appropriate description of the image.


Thanks.

If so, I did not 'take' the image, I simple shared a link provided by
Savageduck which enabled folk to view the image in Savageduck's Dropbox
folder.


Yes, so I don't know how that is classed as a theft by some on here.
Perhaps they could explain, but don't hold your breathe.


We, you and I, appear to believe the same things.

If you viewed it then it would be in some cache file and if you backed up your computer theres a chance that image would be backed up too and perhaps stored on a server, owned by a company. That isn't theft either.


I've searched my computers .... and sadly haven't found the image. :-(

He's since chosen to withdraw that privilege, as is his right.


Yes and I understand why, it's not you he doesn't trust as such but he doesn't know what someone outside this NG might use this image for, especially when placed on Facebook or similar site(s) which neither you or SD has any control over.


I do completely understand.

We would all like to be in control of our image(s).


Indeed! I can't quite understand why you don't use a spellchecker!

Some reading here might imagine you to be dislectix! ;-)

(Sorry, couldn't help myself!)

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  #63  
Old May 25th 18, 03:19 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , David B.
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(Sorry, couldn't help myself!)


clearly.
  #64  
Old May 25th 18, 03:31 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

A sI know someone that has in the past before netflix, that used to backup
all his films on to HD, then erase that HD, and then sell them on ebay for
4-5 the price of a brand new HD. They were adversied as HD that had films
on them mostly recent films and delete.

Are you claiming that this was OK because they were backups ?


that is very clearly not a backup.


he backs up his films from one HD top another you can call it an archive if
yuo wish.


not when he's selling it on ebay.
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Old May 25th 18, 04:10 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 25 May 2018 14:16:24 UTC+1, Savageduck wrote:
On May 25, 2018, Whisky-dave wrote
(in ):

On Thursday, 24 May 2018 16:48:23 UTC+1, Savageduck wrote:
On May 24, 2018, Whisky-dave wrote
(in ):

So if I keep my music backups or perhaps old software backups and put it
on a server for others to download that is exempt ?

NO. If you read, and understand the EULA for the software, and understand
the copyright for the music, you will discover that you do not have the right,
or license to freely distribute anything you have stored on any server.

True but that is irrespective of whether or not it is on a server.
Duplicating a CD or vinyl record, a perfume, a handbag, a pair of trainers or
any object and selling it on or even giving it away is illegal.

If you do, you are stealing from the copyright holders. You would be potentially
subject litigation by the developers of the software, copyright holders,
and/or the owners of the distribution rights of the music.

Yes I know, but it doesn't rely on 'servers' servers have nothing to do with
whether it is legal or not.


There is a big difference between a personal backup copy for fair use,

See you said fair use which is why I said, backing up is a fair use so not
illegal if I then hand my backup to those that want to give me money for my
backup or I just share that backup with other whether I allow them to copy my
backup or I put it on the a server then it becomes illegal.
It is what I do not what I have.

distributing copies,

yes so you do agree with me it's what you do or the intention sucg as sharing
on a p2p system.

even if you give them away. If you do that you are denying the
copyright holders income they are intitled to. The result is effectively theft.

Yes effectively theft but not theft otherwise we wouldn't need copyright.


Even in ignorance it is theft.

I believe you use an old version of Photoshop, read the EULA, and try to
understand what is being said.


I have and do and I'm using it within the EULA as far as I can tell.

In common usage, theft is the taking of another person's property or services
without that person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the
lawful owner of it.

For theft you have to deprive someone, if yuo still someone data which is
what were talking about you are NOT depriving them of it.


If you sell or give away copies of software you are licensed to use, or music
you have bought, you are copyright holders,


No I don't hold the copyright to music I have brought. I think you'll
find micheal jackson brought the copyright of a lot of the beatles music
I couldn't afford it. Not that I have ANY beatles music .

or music license holders of the income that intellectual property would,
or should have generated for them.


You are only licensed for personal use, not to redistribute,


Yes I know I dont; own the copyright all I have is a license to listen to
what I have brought.

if you do, you are violating the EULA,


I agree with that.

and depriving the copyright owners of a sale.


I don't agree with that.


How is you giving away, or selling a copy not depriving the copyright
holder of a sale?

That is no different from shoplifting, ergo theft.


It;s very differnt in law otherwise we wouldn;lt need interlectual
property rights would we.


They are then entitled to legal recourse.


Yes but just supose I or anyone stole yuor cheetah image what sort and
how much legal recourse would you have ?

That would depend on how it was used. Use it for personal viewing, (as I
intended in this particular case before it was taken out of my control with
the FB repost), and i wouldn’t bother too much. Use it as a stock photo for
a web site, or an ad, you will find that you will be hearing from me. There
are remedies which the Courts will support, and I will be paid.

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Old May 25th 18, 04:42 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 25-May-18 4:30 PM, Whisky-dave wrote:
How do you know that image is worth the claim ?


I'm not sure how much I can believe on that site, having just now read
this:-

https://nypost.com/2018/05/24/cable-...epairman-cops/
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Old May 25th 18, 10:57 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 5/25/2018 10:16 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , David B.
wrote:

If so, I did not 'take' the image, I simple shared a link provided by
Savageduck which enabled folk to view the image in Savageduck's Dropbox
folder.


without his permission.

He's since chosen to withdraw that privilege, as is his right.


because of assholes like you.


Another reason I post lo res images. With a lot of images and some, not
all people, if they want a hi res image, I will provide one, as I have
in the past.

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Old May 25th 18, 11:11 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 5/25/2018 11:30 AM, Whisky-dave wrote:

snip


How many sales have you lost from your cheetah picture you put up for viewing and was this because davidB linked to it on FB.
Can you give me some idea of the loses you have incured ?



That is not the point. It is the copyright holder's absolute right to
control use of the property.
If you do not understand the concept of damages per-SE, learning about
it should take you at least a few weeks.



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Old May 26th 18, 04:22 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On May 25, 2018, Whisky-dave wrote
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On Friday, 25 May 2018 14:16:24 UTC+1, Savageduck wrote:


Snip

They are then entitled to legal recourse.


Yes but just supose I or anyone stole yuor cheetah image what sort and how
much legal recourse would you have ?


You might find this interesting.

https://youtu.be/DUEbi4r8Pg0

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Old May 27th 18, 06:08 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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android Tue, 22
May 2018 04:04:35 GMT in rec.photo.digital, wrote:

On 2018-05-21 21:27:29 +0000, Diesel said:

android Wed,
02 May 2018 15:15:53 GMT in rec.photo.digital, wrote:

Snap with the new to me Soligor 500/8 Mirror lense mounted on the
1D2 through a dirty rear window... Note the ring bokeh. Handheld
at high ISO:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/...i180502%231166
8.png


I got an error 401 while trying to visit...


Soo? The discussion was done and over with.


Sorry, I didn't know you had a habit of deleting the pictures when the
conversation was over.


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