Resurrecting a jpeg?

On Wed, 04 Dec 2019 12:23:00 -0000, Diesel wrote:

David
Sat, 30 Nov 2019 19:11:50 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 30/11/2019 18:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 08:00:28 -0000, David
wrote:

On 29/11/2019 22:49, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 22:48:11 -0000, Commander Kinsey
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 22:43:35 -0000, David
wrote:

On 29/11/2019 22:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 22:32:49 -0000, David
wrote:

On 29/11/2019 22:22, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 22:19:16 -0000, David
wrote:

On 29/11/2019 21:16, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 29/11/2019 21.29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 20:14:15 -0000, David

wrote:

On 29/11/2019 20:04, Mike Easter wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why on earth do I have to have the first part?
Think back to modem
days, viewing a large image in a web browser, it
would display it
bit
by bit as it downloaded. Surely if you only have
the second half,
you'd just get the top bit of the image missing?
Ok, so you don't
have the header to tell it what width to use, but
surely the user
could input that data, or adjust until it looked
right?

The big problem is the result of the compression
algo. You don't
really
have 'part of the picture'. You have a bunch of bits
that resulted from
the compression of part of the picture. jpeg/s can
be compressed
various ways.

Could YOU extract a picture from a Torrent, Mike?

DAVID! Torrents are highly illegal :-)

No, they are not.

Torrents can be used to transmit material which may be
illegal, or
not.
They can be used to transmit fully legal material, too.

He was just 'pulling my leg', Carlos. ;-)

I was calling you a goody two shoes :-P
You have this crazy idea that data should be paid for :-)

I know! :-D

My mummy taught me that it is /wrong/ to steal!

I once borrowed this image from 'FromTheRafters'
https://i.imgur.com/xald8gV.jpg

Some folk thought I'd stolen it, but I couldn't have done
because FTR
still had it. Eventually FTR said I could keep the copy
which I had acquired! That was really nice of him. :-)

You hit the nail on the head, copying something isn't
stealing as the owner still has their one. If I walked past
your house and somehow cloned your car, you'd still have
your car. I'd have a free car, but it
wouldn't affect you at all.

In other words, I didn't dip out, but you dipped in! ;-)

I don't make the rules for music and videos though. My
understanding is
that 'we' shouldn't infringe the copyright put there to help
the musicians/actors. YMMV

It most certainly does vary. Anyone (such as myself) who
believes that the money required to legally buy the music is
too much, will not buy the music. So what difference does it
make to the composer if I buy it or do without or copy it?

[delete "buy it or"] for the sentence to make sense.

If everyone behaved like you, the musician would have to find an
alternative way to to earn money to feed himself or herself.

You mean by actually doing work, instead of playing a song once
then expecting to be paid for someone else (the producer) making
copies for him? Does a bricklayer get paid every time someone
uses the house? No. They have to build another house to earn
more money. There are in fact many music groups that believe
they should be earning money by going out and doing gigs.

Anyway, as I said before, I have no intention of ever paying
money for music, I simply don't think it's worth it. So, how
does it change anything for the musician between:
1) I never listen to music.
2) I copy it form someone else and listen to it.
Both of those give him none of my money.

Most people who ride on a bus or a train pay for a ticket.
There's even a song about that!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyNt5zm3U_M

If I get on a bus, I'm using a seat up, and causing the driver to
have to make a stop. If many people use that bus, more buses
would have to be paid for to take more passengers. If I copy
music, I've not cost the musician a penny.

As I've shown elsewhere, the musician loses about 10% of the price
of a CD - not a lot, but it *IS* a loss.

Correction. Your claims have been shown to be false. You've been
bitchslapped into the middle of next month:
Message-ID: 2EGHEeS293O97.fk18
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=157545920900

I can't recall the last time I paid for any music. It seems to be
everywhere nowadays - Spotify is magic; I don't mind the ads!

Spotify is crap. Nothing beats a collection of locally stored tunes
that doesn't require a subscription,

Yip, free is best.

or an internet connection or a
working cell signal to enjoy. It's also nice to have the contents
stored in a non proprietary file format that nearly everything these
days is fully aware of and will happily play without any additional
configuration or software. Like magic.

Agreed. Which is why I also hate radio stations. I want MY choice of music with the ability to skip a track whenever I want. Why does anyone listen to music they mostly don't like with DJs waffling inbetween?

"Commander Kinsey"
newsp.0ch4qjtqwdg98l@glass Sun, 08 Dec 2019 22:57:45 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On Wed, 04 Dec 2019 12:23:00 -0000, Diesel
wrote:

David
Sat, 30 Nov 2019 19:11:50 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 30/11/2019 18:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 08:00:28 -0000, David
wrote:

On 29/11/2019 22:49, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 22:48:11 -0000, Commander Kinsey
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 22:43:35 -0000, David
wrote:

On 29/11/2019 22:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 22:32:49 -0000, David
wrote:

On 29/11/2019 22:22, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 22:19:16 -0000, David
wrote:

On 29/11/2019 21:16, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 29/11/2019 21.29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 20:14:15 -0000, David

wrote:

On 29/11/2019 20:04, Mike Easter wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why on earth do I have to have the first part?
Think back to modem
days, viewing a large image in a web browser, it
would display it
bit
by bit as it downloaded. Surely if you only have
the second half,
you'd just get the top bit of the image missing?
Ok, so you don't
have the header to tell it what width to use, but
surely the user
could input that data, or adjust until it looked
right?

The big problem is the result of the compression
algo. You don't
really
have 'part of the picture'. You have a bunch of
bits that resulted from
the compression of part of the picture. jpeg/s can
be compressed
various ways.

Could YOU extract a picture from a Torrent, Mike?

DAVID! Torrents are highly illegal :-)

No, they are not.

Torrents can be used to transmit material which may be
illegal, or
not.
They can be used to transmit fully legal material,
too.

He was just 'pulling my leg', Carlos. ;-)

I was calling you a goody two shoes :-P
You have this crazy idea that data should be paid for
:-)

I know! :-D

My mummy taught me that it is /wrong/ to steal!

I once borrowed this image from 'FromTheRafters'
https://i.imgur.com/xald8gV.jpg

Some folk thought I'd stolen it, but I couldn't have done
because FTR
still had it. Eventually FTR said I could keep the copy
which I had acquired! That was really nice of him. :-)

You hit the nail on the head, copying something isn't
stealing as the owner still has their one. If I walked
past your house and somehow cloned your car, you'd still
have your car. I'd have a free car, but it
wouldn't affect you at all.

In other words, I didn't dip out, but you dipped in! ;-)

I don't make the rules for music and videos though. My
understanding is
that 'we' shouldn't infringe the copyright put there to
help the musicians/actors. YMMV

It most certainly does vary. Anyone (such as myself) who
believes that the money required to legally buy the music is
too much, will not buy the music. So what difference does
it make to the composer if I buy it or do without or copy
it?

[delete "buy it or"] for the sentence to make sense.

If everyone behaved like you, the musician would have to find
an alternative way to to earn money to feed himself or
herself.

You mean by actually doing work, instead of playing a song once
then expecting to be paid for someone else (the producer)
making copies for him? Does a bricklayer get paid every time
someone uses the house? No. They have to build another house
to earn more money. There are in fact many music groups that
believe they should be earning money by going out and doing
gigs.

Anyway, as I said before, I have no intention of ever paying
money for music, I simply don't think it's worth it. So, how
does it change anything for the musician between:
1) I never listen to music.
2) I copy it form someone else and listen to it.
Both of those give him none of my money.

Most people who ride on a bus or a train pay for a ticket.
There's even a song about that!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyNt5zm3U_M

If I get on a bus, I'm using a seat up, and causing the driver
to have to make a stop. If many people use that bus, more
buses would have to be paid for to take more passengers. If I
copy music, I've not cost the musician a penny.

As I've shown elsewhere, the musician loses about 10% of the
price of a CD - not a lot, but it *IS* a loss.

Correction. Your claims have been shown to be false. You've been
bitchslapped into the middle of next month:
Message-ID:
oC2EGHEeS293O97.fk1
8
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=157545920900

I can't recall the last time I paid for any music. It seems to
be everywhere nowadays - Spotify is magic; I don't mind the ads!

Spotify is crap. Nothing beats a collection of locally stored
tunes that doesn't require a subscription,

Yip, free is best.

I didn't say anything about cost. Free or otherwise...

or an internet connection or a
working cell signal to enjoy. It's also nice to have the contents
stored in a non proprietary file format that nearly everything
these days is fully aware of and will happily play without any
additional configuration or software. Like magic.

Agreed. Which is why I also hate radio stations. I want MY
choice of music with the ability to skip a track whenever I want.

Yep. So, you purchase the cds you want, rip them, create the layout
you prefer for your own personal private use.

Why does anyone listen to music they mostly don't like with DJs
waffling inbetween?

I occasionally listen to talk radio, and, I have a bit of a
background in a very small scale for radio... so, I'm partial to it
to a point.


--
Freedom of the press is limited to those who own one. --A.J. Liebling

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 09:18:16 -0000, Diesel wrote:

"Commander Kinsey"
newsp.0ch4qjtqwdg98l@glass Sun, 08 Dec 2019 22:57:45 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On Wed, 04 Dec 2019 12:23:00 -0000, Diesel
wrote:

David
Sat, 30 Nov 2019 19:11:50 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 30/11/2019 18:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 08:00:28 -0000, David
wrote:

On 29/11/2019 22:49, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 22:48:11 -0000, Commander Kinsey
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 22:43:35 -0000, David
wrote:

On 29/11/2019 22:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 22:32:49 -0000, David
wrote:

On 29/11/2019 22:22, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 22:19:16 -0000, David
wrote:

On 29/11/2019 21:16, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 29/11/2019 21.29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 20:14:15 -0000, David

wrote:

On 29/11/2019 20:04, Mike Easter wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why on earth do I have to have the first part?
Think back to modem
days, viewing a large image in a web browser, it
would display it
bit
by bit as it downloaded. Surely if you only have
the second half,
you'd just get the top bit of the image missing?
Ok, so you don't
have the header to tell it what width to use, but
surely the user
could input that data, or adjust until it looked
right?

The big problem is the result of the compression
algo. You don't
really
have 'part of the picture'. You have a bunch of
bits that resulted from
the compression of part of the picture. jpeg/s can
be compressed
various ways.

Could YOU extract a picture from a Torrent, Mike?

DAVID! Torrents are highly illegal :-)

No, they are not.

Torrents can be used to transmit material which may be
illegal, or
not.
They can be used to transmit fully legal material,
too.

He was just 'pulling my leg', Carlos. ;-)

I was calling you a goody two shoes :-P
You have this crazy idea that data should be paid for
:-)

I know! :-D

My mummy taught me that it is /wrong/ to steal!

I once borrowed this image from 'FromTheRafters'
https://i.imgur.com/xald8gV.jpg

Some folk thought I'd stolen it, but I couldn't have done
because FTR
still had it. Eventually FTR said I could keep the copy
which I had acquired! That was really nice of him. :-)

You hit the nail on the head, copying something isn't
stealing as the owner still has their one. If I walked
past your house and somehow cloned your car, you'd still
have your car. I'd have a free car, but it
wouldn't affect you at all.

In other words, I didn't dip out, but you dipped in! ;-)

I don't make the rules for music and videos though. My
understanding is
that 'we' shouldn't infringe the copyright put there to
help the musicians/actors. YMMV

It most certainly does vary. Anyone (such as myself) who
believes that the money required to legally buy the music is
too much, will not buy the music. So what difference does
it make to the composer if I buy it or do without or copy
it?

[delete "buy it or"] for the sentence to make sense.

If everyone behaved like you, the musician would have to find
an alternative way to to earn money to feed himself or
herself.

You mean by actually doing work, instead of playing a song once
then expecting to be paid for someone else (the producer)
making copies for him? Does a bricklayer get paid every time
someone uses the house? No. They have to build another house
to earn more money. There are in fact many music groups that
believe they should be earning money by going out and doing
gigs.

Anyway, as I said before, I have no intention of ever paying
money for music, I simply don't think it's worth it. So, how
does it change anything for the musician between:
1) I never listen to music.
2) I copy it form someone else and listen to it.
Both of those give him none of my money.

Most people who ride on a bus or a train pay for a ticket.
There's even a song about that!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyNt5zm3U_M

If I get on a bus, I'm using a seat up, and causing the driver
to have to make a stop. If many people use that bus, more
buses would have to be paid for to take more passengers. If I
copy music, I've not cost the musician a penny.

As I've shown elsewhere, the musician loses about 10% of the
price of a CD - not a lot, but it *IS* a loss.

Correction. Your claims have been shown to be false. You've been
bitchslapped into the middle of next month:
Message-ID:
2EGHEeS293O97.fk1
8
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=157545920900

I can't recall the last time I paid for any music. It seems to
be everywhere nowadays - Spotify is magic; I don't mind the ads!

Spotify is crap. Nothing beats a collection of locally stored
tunes that doesn't require a subscription,

Yip, free is best.

I didn't say anything about cost. Free or otherwise...

You said "no subscription", that means free. Or were you doing word games?

or an internet connection or a
working cell signal to enjoy. It's also nice to have the contents
stored in a non proprietary file format that nearly everything
these days is fully aware of and will happily play without any
additional configuration or software. Like magic.

Agreed. Which is why I also hate radio stations. I want MY
choice of music with the ability to skip a track whenever I want.

Yep. So, you purchase the cds you want, rip them, create the layout
you prefer for your own personal private use.

Purchase? Are you mad? Someone else on torrent has purchased. I use their rips.

Why does anyone listen to music they mostly don't like with DJs
waffling inbetween?

I occasionally listen to talk radio, and, I have a bit of a
background in a very small scale for radio... so, I'm partial to it
to a point.

To me it's like sitting in a post office listening to yatter from old ladies talking about boring ****e.

"Commander Kinsey"
newsp.0clbvmglwdg98l@glass Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:24:48 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 09:18:16 -0000, Diesel
wrote:
[snip]

I didn't say anything about cost. Free or otherwise...

You said "no subscription", that means free. Or were you doing
word games?

That doesn't mean free. That just means there's no recurring cost in
the financial sense. There is in drive space consumption, but, hey,
nothings really free. No, I wasn't playing word games.

I have a collection of locally stored music. It isn't subscription
based in the financial sense, but, the cd's which were ripped to
create it did have an initial cost to acquire. The ongoing cost would
be the drive space required to hold the collection and various costs
involved in ensuring the collection has reliable, redundant
backups...

[snip]

Yep. So, you purchase the cds you want, rip them, create the
layout you prefer for your own personal private use.

Purchase? Are you mad? Someone else on torrent has purchased. I
use their rips.

As much as David doesn't like to admit it, HHI is one of the 'Someone
else' you refer to. HHI does NOT provide anything via torrent or any
other system where joe public can get access. That's done by others
outside of the groups control. Some (all?) of those rips along with
other groups makes its way to torrent sites where people like you,
and others (those who sample and pay for the tunes they actually
like) can get access to it.

The groups do not contribute to piracy, the groups provide any artist
the ability to be heard by a much larger audience than the riaa would
provide them. Without locking them into any contracts, without
charging them so much as a dime.

Why does anyone listen to music they mostly don't like with DJs
waffling inbetween?

I occasionally listen to talk radio, and, I have a bit of a
background in a very small scale for radio... so, I'm partial to
it to a point.

To me it's like sitting in a post office listening to yatter from
old ladies talking about boring ****e.

You wouldn't have enjoyed cb/ham radios then, either. Probably never
owned a scanner either...?



--
That that is is not that that is not.

On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 13:31:55 -0000, wrote:

On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 7:42:32 PM UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If I have the middle part of a jpeg file, can't I display at least some of it? Every fixing tool I've tried says something like "need JPEG header", or "need SOI (start of image?) header".

Do you have a JPEG taken with same camera that is intact?

No.

On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 05:55:42 -0000, Diesel wrote:

"Commander Kinsey"
newsp.0clbvmglwdg98l@glass Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:24:48 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 09:18:16 -0000, Diesel
wrote:
[snip]

I didn't say anything about cost. Free or otherwise...

You said "no subscription", that means free. Or were you doing
word games?

That doesn't mean free. That just means there's no recurring cost in
the financial sense. There is in drive space consumption, but, hey,
nothings really free. No, I wasn't playing word games.

It sounded like you were avoiding paying, and since you made torrents....

I have a collection of locally stored music. It isn't subscription
based in the financial sense, but, the cd's which were ripped to
create it did have an initial cost to acquire.

Then you're as gullible as David. Music is and has always been free.

The ongoing cost would
be the drive space required to hold the collection and various costs
involved in ensuring the collection has reliable, redundant
backups...

[snip]

Yep. So, you purchase the cds you want, rip them, create the
layout you prefer for your own personal private use.

Purchase? Are you mad? Someone else on torrent has purchased. I
use their rips.

As much as David doesn't like to admit it, HHI is one of the 'Someone
else' you refer to. HHI does NOT provide anything via torrent or any
other system where joe public can get access. That's done by others
outside of the groups control. Some (all?) of those rips along with
other groups makes its way to torrent sites where people like you,
and others (those who sample and pay for the tunes they actually
like) can get access to it.

The groups do not contribute to piracy, the groups provide any artist
the ability to be heard by a much larger audience than the riaa would
provide them. Without locking them into any contracts, without
charging them so much as a dime.

They get their stuff onto piratebay so I can listen to it for free. That's piracy and I like it.

Why does anyone listen to music they mostly don't like with DJs
waffling inbetween?

I occasionally listen to talk radio, and, I have a bit of a
background in a very small scale for radio... so, I'm partial to
it to a point.

To me it's like sitting in a post office listening to yatter from
old ladies talking about boring ****e.

You wouldn't have enjoyed cb/ham radios then, either. Probably never
owned a scanner either...?

Only for spying on the police.

On 13/12/2019 11:17, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 12 December 2019 22:31:50 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 05:55:42 -0000, Diesel wrote:

"Commander Kinsey"
newsp.0clbvmglwdg98l@glass Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:24:48 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 09:18:16 -0000, Diesel
wrote:
[snip]

I didn't say anything about cost. Free or otherwise...

You said "no subscription", that means free. Or were you doing
word games?

That doesn't mean free. That just means there's no recurring cost in
the financial sense. There is in drive space consumption, but, hey,
nothings really free. No, I wasn't playing word games.

It sounded like you were avoiding paying, and since you made torrents....

Why is avoiding wrong ?

https://www.riaa.com/resources-learning/about-piracy/

I have a collection of locally stored music. It isn't subscription
based in the financial sense, but, the cd's which were ripped to
create it did have an initial cost to acquire.

Then you're as gullible as David. Music is and has always been free.

It isn't and never has been free unless you're playing it yourself.
Concerts, opera, music, plays was really expensive to see and hear in the past.
People rarely played for free.

Correct. Many folk don't see things that way. It's usually the poorest
folk in society who steal.

The groups do not contribute to piracy, the groups provide any artist
the ability to be heard by a much larger audience than the riaa would
provide them. Without locking them into any contracts, without
charging them so much as a dime.

They get their stuff onto pirate bay so I can listen to it for free.

No they don't not normally anyway.

I personally know of no exceptions.

That's piracy and I like it.

Rapists like sex, they get sex for free, they like it.

I understand your point but I'd wager that Commander Kinsey has never
raped anyone ....
.... nor written malicious code designed to cause harm.

On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 22:31:03 -0000, David wrote:

On 13/12/2019 11:17, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 12 December 2019 22:31:50 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 05:55:42 -0000, Diesel wrote:

"Commander Kinsey"
newsp.0clbvmglwdg98l@glass Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:24:48 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 09:18:16 -0000, Diesel
wrote:
[snip]

I didn't say anything about cost. Free or otherwise...

You said "no subscription", that means free. Or were you doing
word games?

That doesn't mean free. That just means there's no recurring cost in
the financial sense. There is in drive space consumption, but, hey,
nothings really free. No, I wasn't playing word games.

It sounded like you were avoiding paying, and since you made torrents....

Why is avoiding wrong ?

https://www.riaa.com/resources-learning/about-piracy/

I have a collection of locally stored music. It isn't subscription
based in the financial sense, but, the cd's which were ripped to
create it did have an initial cost to acquire.

Then you're as gullible as David. Music is and has always been free.

It isn't and never has been free unless you're playing it yourself.
Concerts, opera, music, plays was really expensive to see and hear in the past.
People rarely played for free.

Correct. Many folk don't see things that way. It's usually the poorest
folk in society who steal.

Go look up the statistics on how many people use Piratebay and similar. My neighbour's sister is a very rich lawyer. She uses Piratebay all the time. Why pay when you don't have to? Theft deprives somebody of something. If I steal your car, you don't have your car anymore. If I duplicate your CD, you've lost nothing.

The groups do not contribute to piracy, the groups provide any artist
the ability to be heard by a much larger audience than the riaa would
provide them. Without locking them into any contracts, without
charging them so much as a dime.

They get their stuff onto pirate bay so I can listen to it for free.

No they don't not normally anyway.

I personally know of no exceptions.

That's piracy and I like it.

Rapists like sex, they get sex for free, they like it.

I understand your point but I'd wager that Commander Kinsey has never
raped anyone ....
.... nor written malicious code designed to cause harm.

Correct. Now, can you see the difference between real crimes like rape, murder, arson, etc, and petty things like copying a CD or calling someone a ****ing ******?

On 13/12/2019 22:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 22:31:03 -0000, David wrote:

On 13/12/2019 11:17, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 12 December 2019 22:31:50 UTC, Commander Kinsey* wrote:
On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 05:55:42 -0000, Diesel wrote:

"Commander Kinsey"
newsp.0clbvmglwdg98l@glass Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:24:48 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 09:18:16 -0000, Diesel
wrote:
[snip]

I didn't say anything about cost. Free or otherwise...

You said "no subscription", that means free.* Or were you doing
word games?

That doesn't mean free. That just means there's no recurring cost in
the financial sense. There is in drive space consumption, but, hey,
nothings really free. No, I wasn't playing word games.

It sounded like you were avoiding paying, and since you made
torrents....

Why is avoiding wrong ?

https://www.riaa.com/resources-learning/about-piracy/

I have a collection of locally stored music. It isn't subscription
based in the financial sense, but, the cd's which were ripped to
create it did have an initial cost to acquire.

Then you're as gullible as David.* Music is and has always been free.

It isn't and never has been free unless you're playing it yourself.
Concerts, opera, music, plays was really expensive to see and hear in
the past.
People rarely played for free.

Correct. Many folk don't see things that way. It's usually the poorest
folk in society who steal.

Go look up the statistics on how many people use Piratebay and similar.
My neighbour's sister is a very rich lawyer.* She uses Piratebay all the
time.* Why pay when you don't have to?* Theft deprives somebody of
something.* If I steal your car, you don't have your car anymore.* If I
duplicate your CD, you've lost nothing.

Don't blame me. I'm just the messenger.

If you ever have need of a lawyer, I suggest that you do NOT engage the
sister of your neighbour!

The groups do not contribute to piracy, the groups provide any artist
the ability to be heard by a much larger audience than the riaa would
provide them. Without locking them into any contracts, without
charging them so much as a dime.

They get their stuff onto pirate bay so I can listen to it for free.

No they don't not normally anyway.

I personally know of no exceptions.

That's piracy and I like it.

Rapists like sex, they get sex for free, they like it.

I understand your point but I'd wager that Commander Kinsey has never
raped anyone ....
******* .... nor written malicious code designed to cause harm.

Correct.* Now, can you see the difference between real crimes like rape,
murder, arson, etc, and petty things like copying a CD or calling
someone a ****ing ******?

I can. :-D

And I have no trouble sleeping at night.

--
D.

On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 23:04:58 -0000, David wrote:

On 13/12/2019 22:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 22:31:03 -0000, David wrote:

On 13/12/2019 11:17, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 12 December 2019 22:31:50 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 05:55:42 -0000, Diesel wrote:

"Commander Kinsey"
newsp.0clbvmglwdg98l@glass Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:24:48 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 09:18:16 -0000, Diesel
wrote:
[snip]

I didn't say anything about cost. Free or otherwise...

You said "no subscription", that means free. Or were you doing
word games?

That doesn't mean free. That just means there's no recurring cost in
the financial sense. There is in drive space consumption, but, hey,
nothings really free. No, I wasn't playing word games.

It sounded like you were avoiding paying, and since you made
torrents....

Why is avoiding wrong ?

https://www.riaa.com/resources-learning/about-piracy/

I have a collection of locally stored music. It isn't subscription
based in the financial sense, but, the cd's which were ripped to
create it did have an initial cost to acquire.

Then you're as gullible as David. Music is and has always been free.

It isn't and never has been free unless you're playing it yourself.
Concerts, opera, music, plays was really expensive to see and hear in
the past.
People rarely played for free.

Correct. Many folk don't see things that way. It's usually the poorest
folk in society who steal.

Go look up the statistics on how many people use Piratebay and similar.
My neighbour's sister is a very rich lawyer. She uses Piratebay all the
time. Why pay when you don't have to? Theft deprives somebody of
something. If I steal your car, you don't have your car anymore. If I
duplicate your CD, you've lost nothing.

Don't blame me. I'm just the messenger.

If you ever have need of a lawyer, I suggest that you do NOT engage the
sister of your neighbour!

Judges throw out silly childish cases like copyright all the time. It's up to lawyers like her to point out why they should.

The groups do not contribute to piracy, the groups provide any artist
the ability to be heard by a much larger audience than the riaa would
provide them. Without locking them into any contracts, without
charging them so much as a dime.

They get their stuff onto pirate bay so I can listen to it for free.

No they don't not normally anyway.

I personally know of no exceptions.

That's piracy and I like it.

Rapists like sex, they get sex for free, they like it.

I understand your point but I'd wager that Commander Kinsey has never
raped anyone ....
.... nor written malicious code designed to cause harm.

Correct. Now, can you see the difference between real crimes like rape,
murder, arson, etc, and petty things like copying a CD or calling
someone a ****ing ******?

I can. :-D

And I have no trouble sleeping at night.

Neither do I, because I've harmed nobody by copying music. If I stopped doing it right now, nobody would get any more money, I just wouldn't buy music. I'd do without. Wanna earn money playing music, play it! Don't expect to get paid again without doing more work. THAT is theft.