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For those Who Care to Play: Acros SOOC + RAF
In article , Bill W
wrote: It's almost exactly like ransomware, except that a lot of Googling came up with a fix. About 10 commands (bootrec & diskpart commands) typed into the command line - really about 60 seconds if you type fast, and it's fixed. The ridiculous part is that the Windows install/recovery files (Media creation files) come out differently depending on whether you choose to write them to a USB drive, or to a DVD. Some tools are missing in the USB version, and a couple of the commands fail, the critical one being bcdboot. welcome to windows. One of the last things I said to them was, " I guess this is why people move to Apple". It might be a couple of years, but next time I think I need something new, I will be looking at them for the first time. macs don't care if they're booted from internal or external drive, whether it's usb, firewire, thunderbolt or sata. as long as the system on the drive is compatible with the mac, it will boot, without any changes necessary. they can even boot and install macos over the internet to a blank hard drive. there is also a recovery partition, which is automatically installed (and is used for more than just recovery), so you don't actually need a separate emergency boot disk. All stuff I didn't know, but that points to the usual stumbling block - I'd have to learn a new system. I'm old... meanwhile, you're futzing with fixing windows rather than actually doing useful stuff with the computer... |
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On 2017-05-11 05:48:59 +0000, Bill W said:
On Thu, 11 May 2017 01:24:58 -0400, nospam wrote: In article , Bill W wrote: Well, I finally got my photo computer working again a little after I hung up on MS customer support, and a little before I reached the bomb threat level of frustration with them. what does it take to move beyond threat level and actually carry it out? After they told me I had to pay them to tell me how to fix the problem that *their* update caused, I was at the tipping point... And this was after I told them exactly what was wrong - a munged boot sector. "Oh, well at this level 1 customer support, no one knows anything about MBR's and those things. You have to get that info at level 2, our paid service". customer support is mostly useless, and at the larger companies, they just want to get you off the phone because they're rated on number of calls. It's almost exactly like ransomware, except that a lot of Googling came up with a fix. About 10 commands (bootrec & diskpart commands) typed into the command line - really about 60 seconds if you type fast, and it's fixed. The ridiculous part is that the Windows install/recovery files (Media creation files) come out differently depending on whether you choose to write them to a USB drive, or to a DVD. Some tools are missing in the USB version, and a couple of the commands fail, the critical one being bcdboot. welcome to windows. One of the last things I said to them was, " I guess this is why people move to Apple". It might be a couple of years, but next time I think I need something new, I will be looking at them for the first time. macs don't care if they're booted from internal or external drive, whether it's usb, firewire, thunderbolt or sata. as long as the system on the drive is compatible with the mac, it will boot, without any changes necessary. they can even boot and install macos over the internet to a blank hard drive. there is also a recovery partition, which is automatically installed (and is used for more than just recovery), so you don't actually need a separate emergency boot disk. All stuff I didn't know, but that points to the usual stumbling block - I'd have to learn a new system. I'm old... No problem. My 94 year old father has his iMac and he seems to manage without too many problems. ....and the system he was using before he started using a Mac was pencil and paper. He is now on his third iMac, and has two laptops, a Powerbook Pro, and MacBook Pro which he seldom uses these days. However, I speak to him daily using Facetime. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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In article 2017051023131814915-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote: All stuff I didn't know, but that points to the usual stumbling block - I'd have to learn a new system. I'm old... No problem. My 94 year old father has his iMac and he seems to manage without too many problems. ...and the system he was using before he started using a Mac was pencil and paper. He is now on his third iMac, and has two laptops, a Powerbook Pro, and MacBook Pro which he seldom uses these days. However, I speak to him daily using Facetime. wtf is a powerbook pro? back then, the powerbook was the pro version, while the ibook was the consumer version. with the intel transition, they renamed them to macbook and macbook pro. |
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For those Who Care to Play: Acros SOOC + RAF
On Thu, 11 May 2017 02:05:26 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Bill W wrote: It's almost exactly like ransomware, except that a lot of Googling came up with a fix. About 10 commands (bootrec & diskpart commands) typed into the command line - really about 60 seconds if you type fast, and it's fixed. The ridiculous part is that the Windows install/recovery files (Media creation files) come out differently depending on whether you choose to write them to a USB drive, or to a DVD. Some tools are missing in the USB version, and a couple of the commands fail, the critical one being bcdboot. welcome to windows. One of the last things I said to them was, " I guess this is why people move to Apple". It might be a couple of years, but next time I think I need something new, I will be looking at them for the first time. macs don't care if they're booted from internal or external drive, whether it's usb, firewire, thunderbolt or sata. as long as the system on the drive is compatible with the mac, it will boot, without any changes necessary. they can even boot and install macos over the internet to a blank hard drive. there is also a recovery partition, which is automatically installed (and is used for more than just recovery), so you don't actually need a separate emergency boot disk. All stuff I didn't know, but that points to the usual stumbling block - I'd have to learn a new system. I'm old... meanwhile, you're futzing with fixing windows rather than actually doing useful stuff with the computer... Exactly, and over several days this time. That PC was down for over a week. |
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On Wed, 10 May 2017 23:13:18 -0700, Savageduck
wrote: On 2017-05-11 05:48:59 +0000, Bill W said: On Thu, 11 May 2017 01:24:58 -0400, nospam wrote: In article , Bill W wrote: Well, I finally got my photo computer working again a little after I hung up on MS customer support, and a little before I reached the bomb threat level of frustration with them. what does it take to move beyond threat level and actually carry it out? After they told me I had to pay them to tell me how to fix the problem that *their* update caused, I was at the tipping point... And this was after I told them exactly what was wrong - a munged boot sector. "Oh, well at this level 1 customer support, no one knows anything about MBR's and those things. You have to get that info at level 2, our paid service". customer support is mostly useless, and at the larger companies, they just want to get you off the phone because they're rated on number of calls. It's almost exactly like ransomware, except that a lot of Googling came up with a fix. About 10 commands (bootrec & diskpart commands) typed into the command line - really about 60 seconds if you type fast, and it's fixed. The ridiculous part is that the Windows install/recovery files (Media creation files) come out differently depending on whether you choose to write them to a USB drive, or to a DVD. Some tools are missing in the USB version, and a couple of the commands fail, the critical one being bcdboot. welcome to windows. One of the last things I said to them was, " I guess this is why people move to Apple". It might be a couple of years, but next time I think I need something new, I will be looking at them for the first time. macs don't care if they're booted from internal or external drive, whether it's usb, firewire, thunderbolt or sata. as long as the system on the drive is compatible with the mac, it will boot, without any changes necessary. they can even boot and install macos over the internet to a blank hard drive. there is also a recovery partition, which is automatically installed (and is used for more than just recovery), so you don't actually need a separate emergency boot disk. All stuff I didn't know, but that points to the usual stumbling block - I'd have to learn a new system. I'm old... No problem. My 94 year old father has his iMac and he seems to manage without too many problems. He's probably smart... |
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On 11/05/2017 08:31, Bill W wrote:
[....] All stuff I didn't know, but that points to the usual stumbling block - I'd have to learn a new system. I'm old... I've taught my 93 year old friend to use Facebook so he can communicate with his daughter in Australia and a granddaughter in HongKong! No problem. My 94 year old father has his iMac and he seems to manage without too many problems. He's probably smart... No ...... as he's actually _using_ an iMac, he *IS* smart! aside I've just been browsing your photographs on Flikr - *YOU* must be pretty smart too, Bill, to capture such good shots! Thanks for sharing. :-) -- "Do something wonderful, people may imitate it." (Albert Schweitzer) |
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On 11/05/2017 06:24, nospam wrote:
[....] macs don't care if they're booted from internal or external drive, whether it's usb, firewire, thunderbolt or sata. as long as the system on the drive is compatible with the mac, it will boot, without any changes necessary. they can even boot and install macos over the internet to a blank hard drive. there is also a recovery partition, which is automatically installed (and is used for more than just recovery), so you don't actually need a separate emergency boot disk. Hi 'nospam' Do you know what processes occur if/when one uses 'First Aid' (Disk Utility)? Can it REALLY fix things which are wrong? -- David B. |
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On 11/05/2017 07:13, Savageduck wrote:
[....] No problem. My 94 year old father has his iMac and he seems to manage without too many problems. ...and the system he was using before he started using a Mac was pencil and paper. He is now on his third iMac, and has two laptops, a Powerbook Pro, and MacBook Pro which he seldom uses these days. However, I speak to him daily using Facetime. I'm now wondering if MY (surviving) son will chat to ME on FaceTime when I am 94! In my opinion, FaceTime is far superior to Skype. -- "Do something wonderful, people may imitate it." (Albert Schweitzer) |
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On 5/10/2017 11:31 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Bill W snip customer support is mostly useless, and at the larger companies, they just want to get you off the phone because they're rated on number of calls. With some companies, that is true. I have had good experiences with HP, Adobe, and yes, even MS. I think it depends on who you get, and how his wife treated him last night. My machine had a compatibility issue with an HP product. I consider it a miracle that after MS claimed it was an HP issue, and HP said it was an MS issue, I was able to get an HP guy and MS guy on a conference call. Turned out to be an MS issue, that could not be resolved. It's almost exactly like ransomware, except that a lot of Googling came up with a fix. About 10 commands (bootrec & diskpart commands) typed into the command line - really about 60 seconds if you type fast, and it's fixed. The ridiculous part is that the Windows install/recovery files (Media creation files) come out differently depending on whether you choose to write them to a USB drive, or to a DVD. Some tools are missing in the USB version, and a couple of the commands fail, the critical one being bcdboot. welcome to windows. -- PeterN |
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On 5/11/2017 1:24 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Bill W wrote: Well, I finally got my photo computer working again a little after I hung up on MS customer support, and a little before I reached the bomb threat level of frustration with them. what does it take to move beyond threat level and actually carry it out? After they told me I had to pay them to tell me how to fix the problem that *their* update caused, I was at the tipping point... And this was after I told them exactly what was wrong - a munged boot sector. "Oh, well at this level 1 customer support, no one knows anything about MBR's and those things. You have to get that info at level 2, our paid service". customer support is mostly useless, and at the larger companies, they just want to get you off the phone because they're rated on number of calls. It's almost exactly like ransomware, except that a lot of Googling came up with a fix. About 10 commands (bootrec & diskpart commands) typed into the command line - really about 60 seconds if you type fast, and it's fixed. The ridiculous part is that the Windows install/recovery files (Media creation files) come out differently depending on whether you choose to write them to a USB drive, or to a DVD. Some tools are missing in the USB version, and a couple of the commands fail, the critical one being bcdboot. welcome to windows. One of the last things I said to them was, " I guess this is why people move to Apple". It might be a couple of years, but next time I think I need something new, I will be looking at them for the first time. macs don't care if they're booted from internal or external drive, whether it's usb, firewire, thunderbolt or sata. as long as the system on the drive is compatible with the mac, it will boot, without any changes necessary. they can even boot and install macos over the internet to a blank hard drive. there is also a recovery partition, which is automatically installed (and is used for more than just recovery), so you don't actually need a separate emergency boot disk. Same with windows. And no, I am not going further with this. -- PeterN |
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