Does anyone make ...

On 10-07-21 12:24 , Cheesehead wrote:
A 4x5 film holder that has a slot for a strip of 35mm film in the
center.
Might make not only for some great 5" neg panoramas, but also provide
a way to use some films not ordinarily available to 4x5
(albeit in a reduced form factor).
I'm thinking of making one from an old holder. My Caltar HR 210/5.6
turns out to be quite sharp. Shot on certain 35mm films it might be
quite nice.

Use 120/220 instead? For that there are magazines for 4x5 (I think).

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On 7/24/2010 10:34 AM Alan Browne spake thus:

On 10-07-21 12:24 , Cheesehead wrote:

A 4x5 film holder that has a slot for a strip of 35mm film in the
center.
Might make not only for some great 5" neg panoramas, but also provide
a way to use some films not ordinarily available to 4x5
(albeit in a reduced form factor).
I'm thinking of making one from an old holder. My Caltar HR 210/5.6
turns out to be quite sharp. Shot on certain 35mm films it might be
quite nice.

Use 120/220 instead? For that there are magazines for 4x5 (I think).

If he uses 120, then I guess what the OP would be looking for would be a
holder that's 5 inches long x 120 wide; 5 inches = 127 mm, so it seems
that a 6x12 holder might just do the trick. Do they make 6x12 holders
for 4x5?


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On 7/24/2010 11:36 AM David Nebenzahl spake thus:

If he uses 120, then I guess what the OP would be looking for would be a
holder that's 5 inches long x 120 wide; 5 inches = 127 mm, so it seems
that a 6x12 holder might just do the trick. Do they make 6x12 holders
for 4x5?

Answering my own question, the DIYer in me says, "Who cares?". No need
for anything store-bought here. Just glue down some paper guides on an
old 4x5 holder for a strip of 120 film. Voila!

Sure, there's no daylight loading or frame counting here, but it'll work
fine.


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David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 7/24/2010 11:36 AM David Nebenzahl spake thus:

If he uses 120, then I guess what the OP would be looking for would be a
holder that's 5 inches long x 120 wide; 5 inches = 127 mm, so it seems
that a 6x12 holder might just do the trick. Do they make 6x12 holders
for 4x5?

Answering my own question, the DIYer in me says, "Who cares?". No need
for anything store-bought here. Just glue down some paper guides on an
old 4x5 holder for a strip of 120 film. Voila!

Sure, there's no daylight loading or frame counting here, but it'll work
fine.

Except that the slide won't clear if you put the guides such that you
can get the film _under_ them, and the film won't stay flat if you don't,
because 120 film is much, much more flexible than either 4x5 or 35mm
film.

The problem you'd have with 35mm film is that it is curved across the
narrow dimension and would practically require a vacuum back to stay
flat in a 4x5 holder without a special slide and back that worked much
like the film gate and pressure plate in a real 35mm camera.

35mm in 4x5 is a real pain. 120 is not as hard but you'll do a lot better
to use a factory made holder. Otherwise, in both cases, sure, you'll get
images, but parts of the film will be so far off the plane of sharp focus
that if you can convince yourself the results are sharp, you're a much
better liar than I am.

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On 7/24/2010 4:43 PM Thor Lancelot Simon spake thus:

In article ,
David Nebenzahl wrote:

On 7/24/2010 11:36 AM David Nebenzahl spake thus:

If he uses 120, then I guess what the OP would be looking for would be a
holder that's 5 inches long x 120 wide; 5 inches = 127 mm, so it seems
that a 6x12 holder might just do the trick. Do they make 6x12 holders
for 4x5?

Answering my own question, the DIYer in me says, "Who cares?". No
need for anything store-bought here. Just glue down some paper
guides on an old 4x5 holder for a strip of 120 film. Voila!

Sure, there's no daylight loading or frame counting here, but it'll
work fine.

Except that the slide won't clear if you put the guides such that you
can get the film _under_ them, and the film won't stay flat if you don't,
because 120 film is much, much more flexible than either 4x5 or 35mm
film.

Are you sure about that? I'm looking at a 4x5 holder (old Graflex), and
there is a good 1/8" between the slide and the back of the holder where
the guides would go. Looks like plenty of room for some paper guides.
They only need to be about 3-4 times the thickness of the film total.

Can't guarantee how flat the film would stay, of course, but might be
worth a try.


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On 7/24/2010 4:43 PM Thor Lancelot Simon spake thus:

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Except that the slide won't clear if you put the guides such that you
can get the film _under_ them, and the film won't stay flat if you don't,
because 120 film is much, much more flexible than either 4x5 or 35mm
film.

Are you sure about that? I'm looking at a 4x5 holder (old Graflex), and
there is a good 1/8" between the slide and the back of the holder where
the guides would go. Looks like plenty of room for some paper guides. They
only need to be about 3-4 times the thickness of the film total.

Can't guarantee how flat the film would stay, of course, but might be
worth a try.

I'll jump into this thread at this point.

My question is why all this attention to modifying the film holder to
accommodate 35mm film? As I recall from days past, there was an adapter
with which you could mount a 35mm SLR directly onto the dark slide. Such an
approach, I would think you would be having your cake and eating it at the
same time. I see that SK Grimes makes such an adapter:
http://www.skgrimes.com/thisweek/1-09-05/index.htm

and here's another for the Nikon:
http://www.zenit-camera.com/4x5-came...on_adapter.htm

And one touting both the Nikon and the Canon EOS:
https://www.badgergraphic.com/store/..._detail&p=2859

Dollars to donuts for the right amount of dollars an adapter for any camera
could be had. At the very least, a suitable adapter to fit the Nikon or
Canon EOS mount onto the SLR of your choice should be available.