New Foveon sensor for digital camcorders

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"Hal" wrote:

Well, the article that you're included in your post indicates that it is
indeed a 4.5MP. http://www.dpreview.com/news/0402/04...laroidx530.asp
It even refers back to the article that I posted for more information (?).
So, I'm a bit confused.

I'm not finding the reference supporting your claim. Since I do _try_ to
follow these things closely, I'd appreciate your pointing out the specific
reference for me. I'm not trying to be argumentative here, I really do want
to understand your point.

Foveon is trying to hype their products by tripling the number of actual
pixels in their marketing language. What they call a 4.5MP sensor is
actually a 1.5MP sensor that detects three color bands at each pixel.
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John P Sheehy

That is the hype the way I understood it also. This sounds like the
advertising of scam artists and theives.

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In message ,
"Hal" wrote:

Well, the article that you're included in your post indicates that it is
indeed a 4.5MP.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0402/04...laroidx530.asp
It even refers back to the article that I posted for more information
(?).
So, I'm a bit confused.

I'm not finding the reference supporting your claim. Since I do _try_ to
follow these things closely, I'd appreciate your pointing out the
specific
reference for me. I'm not trying to be argumentative here, I really do
want
to understand your point.

Foveon is trying to hype their products by tripling the number of actual
pixels in their marketing language. What they call a 4.5MP sensor is
actually a 1.5MP sensor that detects three color bands at each pixel.
--


John P Sheehy

In message ,
"Gymmy Bob" wrote:

That is the hype the way I understood it also. This sounds like the
advertising of scam artists and theives.

It's nothing but connotative bait-and-switch.

Change the meaning of pixel so that it has nothing to do with with
spatial resolution anymore, say you have more pixels, hoping that the
reader thinks it means more spatial resolution. Truly Pathetic.
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John P Sheehy

"George Preddy" wrote in message
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SNIP
Foveon is trying to hype their products by tripling the number
of actual pixels in their marketing language. What they call a
4.5MP sensor is actually a 1.5MP sensor that detects three
color bands at each pixel.

As opposed to other manufacturers calling sensing 1 color band,
sensing a full color pixel.

You are wrong again, as usual.

Other manufacturers don't say they sense full color per sensel. All they say
is that they output an RGB pixel, regardless of the filters used.

Bart

"George Preddy" wrote in message
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SNIP
As opposed to other manufacturers...

Double posting only makes you double wrong.

Bart

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(George Preddy) wrote:

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In message ,
"Hal" wrote:

Well, the article that you're included in your post indicates that it is
indeed a 4.5MP. http://www.dpreview.com/news/0402/04...laroidx530.asp
It even refers back to the article that I posted for more information (?).
So, I'm a bit confused.

I'm not finding the reference supporting your claim. Since I do _try_ to
follow these things closely, I'd appreciate your pointing out the specific
reference for me. I'm not trying to be argumentative here, I really do want
to understand your point.

Foveon is trying to hype their products by tripling the number of actual
pixels in their marketing language. What they call a 4.5MP sensor is
actually a 1.5MP sensor that detects three color bands at each pixel.

As opposed to other manufacturers calling sensing 1 color band,
sensing a full color pixel.

I haven't seen a single manufacturer claim that full color is sensed at
each Bayer pixel.

The Foveon 5M (thier P&S sensor) is a 6MP chip, not 4.5MP. It outputs
6M pixels (3000 x 2000) from 1.5M complete RGB triples, which is
exactly the same as the Canon 10D but with DRAMATICALLY lower noise
and increased DR.

No, it's not exactly the same at all, and only an ignorant person would
think so, and only a moron would continue to say so after being proven
wrong so many times. There is absolutely no basis for the existence of
3/4 of the pixels when you interpolate foveon output to 4x as many
pixels. The "native resolution" of the Bayer cameras is the number of
sensors.

Foveon continues to be ridiculously conservative in their MPs rating
compared to Bayer manufactures who often list 800% interpolatively
upscaled images as the actual MP count (Fuji)!!

No, they don't; they continue to lie as they exaggerate their pixel
count by 3x, and you continue to lie as you exaggerate by 4x.
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John P Sheehy

In rec.photo.equipment.35mm George Preddy wrote:
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In message ,
"Hal" wrote:

Well, the article that you're included in your post indicates that it is
indeed a 4.5MP. http://www.dpreview.com/news/0402/04...laroidx530.asp
It even refers back to the article that I posted for more information (?).
So, I'm a bit confused.

I'm not finding the reference supporting your claim. Since I do _try_ to
follow these things closely, I'd appreciate your pointing out the specific
reference for me. I'm not trying to be argumentative here, I really do want
to understand your point.

Foveon is trying to hype their products by tripling the number of actual
pixels in their marketing language. What they call a 4.5MP sensor is
actually a 1.5MP sensor that detects three color bands at each pixel.

As opposed to other manufacturers calling sensing 1 color band,
sensing a full color pixel.

Care to name any camera maufcaturer doing that with their SLR cameras?


The Foveon 5M (thier P&S sensor) is a 6MP chip, not 4.5MP. It outputs
6M pixels (3000 x 2000) from 1.5M complete RGB triples, which is
exactly the same as the Canon 10D but with DRAMATICALLY lower noise
and increased DR.

1.5 M complete RGB triplets are 1.5 megapixels - not 3 and certainly not
6 megapixels.


Foveon continues to be ridiculously conservative in their MPs rating
compared to Bayer manufactures who often list 800% interpolatively
upscaled images as the actual MP count (Fuji)!!

Not only bull**** but also completely off-topic (this group is about
35mm film equipment) bull****.

--
Sander

+++ Out of cheese error +++

My 1 megapixel fuji doesn't have the noise in low light either. Oh yeah.
Either does my 2 megapixel fuji.


"George Preddy" wrote in message
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In message ,
"Hal" wrote:

Well, the article that you're included in your post indicates that it
is
indeed a 4.5MP.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0402/04...laroidx530.asp
It even refers back to the article that I posted for more information
(?).
So, I'm a bit confused.

I'm not finding the reference supporting your claim. Since I do _try_
to
follow these things closely, I'd appreciate your pointing out the
specific
reference for me. I'm not trying to be argumentative here, I really do
want
to understand your point.

Foveon is trying to hype their products by tripling the number of actual
pixels in their marketing language. What they call a 4.5MP sensor is
actually a 1.5MP sensor that detects three color bands at each pixel.

As opposed to other manufacturers calling sensing 1 color band,
sensing a full color pixel.

The Foveon 5M (thier P&S sensor) is a 6MP chip, not 4.5MP. It outputs
6M pixels (3000 x 2000) from 1.5M complete RGB triples, which is
exactly the same as the Canon 10D but with DRAMATICALLY lower noise
and increased DR.

Foveon continues to be ridiculously conservative in their MPs rating
compared to Bayer manufactures who often list 800% interpolatively
upscaled images as the actual MP count (Fuji)!!

On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:34:02 +0000 (UTC), Sander Vesik
wrote:

Not only bull**** but also completely off-topic (this group is about
35mm film equipment) bull****.

Actually, this went to all these newsgroups:
rec.video.desktop,rec.photo.digital,aus.photo,rec. photo.equipment.35mm,alt.comp.periphs.dcameras
I'm sure you can get your reader to tell you this.

Bill Funk
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