Windows 10 - Day 1

| Dunno what all the fuss is about from the anti-10 contingent.
|

You can get some details over at
alt.comp.os.windows-10. Nearly all the posts
are complaints.

Aside from technical problems, in my limited
use of Win10 I didn't like the commercialism.
There seem to be lots of little salespitch items.
The Start Menu is full of junk and it wasn't clear
that it's removable. I can't remember offhand
exactly what the junk was. I just tried to ignore
it, since I was only interested in a program list,
control panel and Run. Nothing else should be
on the Start Menu. (Well, maybe Search, but
since Windows Search is useless there's no point
in having that accessible.)

Another interesting bit was that IE was hidden in
favor of Edge. I had to go into Program Files to
find IE. Few people would know to do that.

The bigger complaint with Win10 is the big move
toward SaaS. Forced updates that you can't control.
A gradual move toward showing ads. (Starting with
tasteful "suggestions" on the Start Menu, but likely
leading in a gradual way to all-out advertising, just
as services like Facebook and Twitter have done.)
And the general spyware nature of the whole thing.
I don't allow XP or Win7 to call home. In fact, I use
a firewall that doesn't let anything call out without
permission. You can't do that on Win10. You have
no choice in whatever updates MS wants to install.

In short, it's their product. It will be what they
decide it will be, just as your cable box might change
it's UI at any time without your approval. You get to
use Win10 and buy stuff. They get to collect your
private data and "monetize" it, as well as prodding
you to get a Microsoft ID and shop at the Microsoft
Store to buy consumer items, services and Metro
trinket apps.

If you don't mind all that, if you choose to ignore
it, or if you simply choose not to believe it, then you
won't know what the fuss is about. If you like the
idea of owning the computer you paid for, owning
your own files, and having some modicum of civilized
privacy with your personal files, then you might end
up "a bit fussy".

| Another interesting bit was that IE was hidden in
| favor of Edge. I had to go into Program Files to
| find IE. Few people would know to do that.
|
| I use Google Chrome. Still do on W-10. The icon remained in the
| Toolbar. I didn't have to search at all.
|

I was making that comment more as an example
of Win10 issues. The average person is being herded
to Edge by the hiding of IE. Most people will have no
idea how to find IE. (As was the case with my brother
whose Win10 computer I was trying out.) And most
people won't know about other browsers. Which allows
MS to set them up with Edge.

But if you like Chrome then you're already comfy
with outrageous spyware, so you shouldn't have
trouble with Win10.

In article , Mayayana
wrote:

Another interesting bit was that IE was hidden in
favor of Edge. I had to go into Program Files to
find IE. Few people would know to do that.

ie is dead.

In article , Mayayana
wrote:

| Another interesting bit was that IE was hidden in
| favor of Edge. I had to go into Program Files to
| find IE. Few people would know to do that.
|
| I use Google Chrome. Still do on W-10. The icon remained in the
| Toolbar. I didn't have to search at all.
|

I was making that comment more as an example
of Win10 issues. The average person is being herded
to Edge by the hiding of IE. Most people will have no
idea how to find IE. (As was the case with my brother
whose Win10 computer I was trying out.) And most
people won't know about other browsers. Which allows
MS to set them up with Edge.

edge is much better than ie ever was.

ie is dead.

On Thu, 26 May 2016 10:00:32 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Mayayana
wrote:

| Another interesting bit was that IE was hidden in
| favor of Edge. I had to go into Program Files to
| find IE. Few people would know to do that.
|
| I use Google Chrome. Still do on W-10. The icon remained in the
| Toolbar. I didn't have to search at all.
|

I was making that comment more as an example
of Win10 issues. The average person is being herded
to Edge by the hiding of IE. Most people will have no
idea how to find IE. (As was the case with my brother
whose Win10 computer I was trying out.) And most
people won't know about other browsers. Which allows
MS to set them up with Edge.

edge is much better than ie ever was.

ie is dead.

Not for everyone. It's the only way to log into and view some older
security camera DVR's that use XQ viewer. I can't find an alternative
anywhere.

In article , Bill W
wrote:

I was making that comment more as an example
of Win10 issues. The average person is being herded
to Edge by the hiding of IE. Most people will have no
idea how to find IE. (As was the case with my brother
whose Win10 computer I was trying out.) And most
people won't know about other browsers. Which allows
MS to set them up with Edge.

edge is much better than ie ever was.

ie is dead.

Not for everyone.

yes for everyone.

edge is the future.

ie 11 is the end of the line, only getting security updates (for now),
which tony won't install.

It's the only way to log into and view some older
security camera DVR's that use XQ viewer. I can't find an alternative
anywhere.

sounds like it's time to update the system to one that's not reliant on
proprietary protocols.

is it this thing?
http://www.tomtech.co.kr/renewal/english/product/productvdl01.html

if so, there are xq viewers for ios/android and mac/win too.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

edge is the future.

ie 11 is the end of the line, only getting security updates (for now),
which tony won't install.

Why should I? I haven't used IE for years.

whoosh

On Thu, 26 May 2016 11:31:47 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Bill W
wrote:

I was making that comment more as an example
of Win10 issues. The average person is being herded
to Edge by the hiding of IE. Most people will have no
idea how to find IE. (As was the case with my brother
whose Win10 computer I was trying out.) And most
people won't know about other browsers. Which allows
MS to set them up with Edge.

edge is much better than ie ever was.

ie is dead.

Not for everyone.

yes for everyone.

edge is the future.

ie 11 is the end of the line, only getting security updates (for now),
which tony won't install.

It's the only way to log into and view some older
security camera DVR's that use XQ viewer. I can't find an alternative
anywhere.

sounds like it's time to update the system to one that's not reliant on
proprietary protocols.

That's exactly what we're going to do, and partly for this reason.

is it this thing?
http://www.tomtech.co.kr/renewal/english/product/productvdl01.html

if so, there are xq viewers for ios/android and mac/win too.

I couldn't get anything to work on Android.

| edge is much better than ie ever was.
|
| ie is dead.


I'm afraid that's wishful thinking.
Welcome to the world outside your Apple
devices.

IE was recently surpassed by Firefox.
It's currently used by about 15% of people.
It's required for logging into Windows Update.
(At least that's what I hear. I'm not about
to log into Windows Update, much less with IE.)
IE has a number of features that have been
specific in the past: ActiveX and VBScript are
two big ones. There are also numerous Windows
components, such as shell extensions and BHOs,
which tie into IE.

Edge has broken compatibility with all that.
IE 11 breaks compatibility by default, but it can
be restored on a per-site basis. So any site
designed for IE cannot work in Edge. HTAs,
utility programs written using IE and popular
in business environments, will not work in Edge.
Edge brings nothing of value. IE has always been
unsafe online but termendously powerful and
adaptable as a tool in Windows. That's all gone
with Edge. Edge might eventually conform to Web
standards, but every other browser already does
that. So it's started life as a has-been. Edge is
just IE with all of the IE-specific functionality
stripped out. (MS implies Edge is new. It's not.
It's just stripped-down IE.)

On Windows, IE has always been far more than
a browser. I use it a great deal, for HTAs. I've also
written software that uses the IE browser window
and I've written software to customize Windows
(such as Explorer Bars in folder windows) that are
deeply linked with IE. Much of the popular Windows
Internet functionality is actually just IE. IE is not
going away any time soon. Personally I would never
use it online and haven't since about 2000, but about
one in six or seven people does use it online. If that
makes IE dead then Safari must be no more than
hearsay.

In article , Mayayana
wrote:

| edge is much better than ie ever was.
|
| ie is dead.

I'm afraid that's wishful thinking.

it's reality.

Welcome to the world outside your Apple
devices.

too bad you haven't accepted the invitation. you're still stuck in your
own little fantasy world.

ie 11 is the end of the road. there will not be an ie 12. ie 11 will
get security/bug fixes.

edge is the future. microsoft has even said as much.

IE was recently surpassed by Firefox.

you're forgetting about chrome.

It's currently used by about 15% of people.

in other words, 85% *don't* use ie.

that's a lot of people.

It's required for logging into Windows Update.
(At least that's what I hear. I'm not about
to log into Windows Update, much less with IE.)

that's for pre-win10, where edge is not an option.

IE has a number of features that have been
specific in the past: ActiveX and VBScript are
two big ones. There are also numerous Windows
components, such as shell extensions and BHOs,
which tie into IE.

activex and vbscript are microsoft proprietary technologies designed to
lock you into the platform.

it's time to migrate to industry standard technologies, where the user
can choose whatever browser they want on whatever platform they want,
including on mobile devices.

the days of writing specifically for ie are *over*.