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Old February 18th 04, 12:01 AM
Dr. Slick
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Default Schneider Componon-S 150mm Lens for Copy Work???

Hello,

This was recommended by someone:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=29 986


Except they had a 135mm version, but it should be close.

My artwork is between 8.5"x11" to 3'x4'.

My question is: how would you go about mounting this enlarging
lens into a Crown Graphic Special? What shutter would be optimum?

I admit that I shyed away from this recommendation, because it
didn't come with a shutter. But perhaps it's not too difficult to do.

Thanks for your patience with a newbie!


Slick
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Old February 18th 04, 04:37 AM
David Nebenzahl
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On 2/17/2004 3:01 PM Dr. Slick spake thus:

This was recommended by someone:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=29 986

Except they had a 135mm version, but it should be close.

My artwork is between 8.5"x11" to 3'x4'.

My question is: how would you go about mounting this enlarging
lens into a Crown Graphic Special? What shutter would be optimum?


The answer is, you can't do it.[1] This lens is not made to fit into any
shutter (it is, after all, an enlarging lens).

[1] You *could* have someone like Steve Grimes (& Co.) make you an adapter for
a shutter, but it would cost you a fortune. The other alternative would be to
buy a Speed Graphic, which would easily accomodate it with its focal-plane
shutter.


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Old February 18th 04, 07:05 AM
Stacey
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Default Schneider Componon-S 150mm Lens for Copy Work???

Dr. Slick wrote:

Hello,

This was recommended by someone:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=29 986


Except they had a 135mm version, but it should be close.

My artwork is between 8.5"x11" to 3'x4'.

My question is: how would you go about mounting this enlarging
lens into a Crown Graphic Special? What shutter would be optimum?



A hat? Given the LONG exposures you're using, why would you need a shutter?

--

Stacey
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Old February 18th 04, 01:56 PM
Dr. Slick
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Default Schneider Componon-S 150mm Lens for Copy Work???

Stacey wrote in message ...

My question is: how would you go about mounting this enlarging
lens into a Crown Graphic Special? What shutter would be optimum?



A hat? Given the LONG exposures you're using, why would you need a shutter?



Someone else indeed has suggested using the lens cap itself, but
this would lead to a lot of camera shake, it would seem to me.


S.
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Old February 18th 04, 02:11 PM
Nick Zentena
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Default Schneider Componon-S 150mm Lens for Copy Work???

Dr. Slick wrote:


Someone else indeed has suggested using the lens cap itself, but
this would lead to a lot of camera shake, it would seem to me.



Are you indoors? Light tight room? Turn off the lights. Put the film in
pull the darkslide.When everything has settled pop off the strobes. The
great thing about this is even if you need multiple pops no problem just
don't miscount. You need strobes of course.

Nick
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Old February 18th 04, 02:22 PM
Chris Ellinger
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Default Schneider Componon-S 150mm Lens for Copy Work???

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:37:02 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote:

On 2/17/2004 3:01 PM Dr. Slick spake thus:

This was recommended by someone:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=29 986

Except they had a 135mm version, but it should be close.

My artwork is between 8.5"x11" to 3'x4'.

My question is: how would you go about mounting this enlarging
lens into a Crown Graphic Special? What shutter would be optimum?


The answer is, you can't do it.[1] This lens is not made to fit into any
shutter (it is, after all, an enlarging lens).

[1] You *could* have someone like Steve Grimes (& Co.) make you an adapter for
a shutter, but it would cost you a fortune.


Not sure how much it would cost, but I doubt it would be a "fortune".
After all, it would only require an aluminum or brass "step up ring"
threaded for the lens on one end and the shutter on the other.

You can buy a Copal Press shutter with a 39mm adapter installed for
$252. I use one to mount enlarging lenses and zone plates on a 4x5
view.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...u=63489&is=REG

Chris Ellinger
Ann Arbor, MI

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Old February 18th 04, 09:40 PM
Dr. Slick
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Nick Zentena wrote in message ...
Dr. Slick wrote:


Someone else indeed has suggested using the lens cap itself, but
this would lead to a lot of camera shake, it would seem to me.



Are you indoors? Light tight room? Turn off the lights. Put the film in
pull the darkslide.When everything has settled pop off the strobes. The
great thing about this is even if you need multiple pops no problem just
don't miscount. You need strobes of course.


I would seem to me that the turn-on surge of a regular 300 watt
tungsten photo flood would not be usable in this way. As i do have
the two floods hooked to the same outlet strip, and this has a switch
on it.

But i bet nobody does it like this, eh?


Slick
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Old February 18th 04, 11:53 PM
Tom Monego
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Nick Zentena wrote in message

...
Dr. Slick wrote:


Someone else indeed has suggested using the lens cap itself, but
this would lead to a lot of camera shake, it would seem to me.



Are you indoors? Light tight room? Turn off the lights. Put the film in
pull the darkslide.When everything has settled pop off the strobes. The
great thing about this is even if you need multiple pops no problem just
don't miscount. You need strobes of course.


I would seem to me that the turn-on surge of a regular 300 watt
tungsten photo flood would not be usable in this way. As i do have
the two floods hooked to the same outlet strip, and this has a switch
on it.

But i bet nobody does it like this, eh?


Slick


Your color temperature varies as the lights heat up especially with tungsten
bulbs Image would probably be a little orange. You can get enlarging lenses
adapter for shutters. As I said before we used to set up MP-3s this way using
the Tominon or Ysarex shutters, the rear element is the problem, smaller than
the front Schneider may even sell an adapter ring. For the subjects you want
to photograph use a 150mm better coverage, also better coverage than the Xenar
or G-Claron, or the Tominon for that matter.
One question what tripod are you using sounds like you may be getting camera
shake, at 32 seconds you need to be on a rock to keep the camera steady. Just
changing you balance while exposing will give shake, as will a truck driving
by. Do yourself a favor and get a couple of Lowell TotaLights at a 1000 watts
halogen each you will drop your exposure time and even out your lighting. Cost
about $300 for 2, good light stands about $60 each. I'm not a fan of strobes
for copy work this is what I use. You will also see better to focus with
brighter light, and it will give you the option of using polarizors to supress
gloss on the art work.

Tom


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Old February 19th 04, 05:01 AM
Dr. Slick
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(Tom Monego) wrote in message news:U1SYb.10507$Dc2.5902@lakeread01...

I would seem to me that the turn-on surge of a regular 300 watt
tungsten photo flood would not be usable in this way. As i do have
the two floods hooked to the same outlet strip, and this has a switch
on it.

But i bet nobody does it like this, eh?


Slick


Your color temperature varies as the lights heat up especially with tungsten
bulbs Image would probably be a little orange. You can get enlarging lenses
adapter for shutters. As I said before we used to set up MP-3s this way using
the Tominon or Ysarex shutters, the rear element is the problem, smaller than
the front Schneider may even sell an adapter ring. For the subjects you want
to photograph use a 150mm better coverage, also better coverage than the Xenar
or G-Claron, or the Tominon for that matter.
One question what tripod are you using sounds like you may be getting camera
shake, at 32 seconds you need to be on a rock to keep the camera steady. Just
changing you balance while exposing will give shake, as will a truck driving
by. Do yourself a favor and get a couple of Lowell TotaLights at a 1000 watts
halogen each you will drop your exposure time and even out your lighting. Cost
about $300 for 2, good light stands about $60 each. I'm not a fan of strobes
for copy work this is what I use. You will also see better to focus with
brighter light, and it will give you the option of using polarizors to supress
gloss on the art work.

Tom



You meant to say f32, i believe, and that was a good 11 seconds.

But it still turned out the sharpest of all of them. But yeah,
maybe i should get more powerful lights if i use something that needs
to be stopped down so much.

S.
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Old February 19th 04, 06:43 AM
Stacey
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Default Schneider Componon-S 150mm Lens for Copy Work???

Dr. Slick wrote:

Stacey wrote in message
...

My question is: how would you go about mounting this enlarging
lens into a Crown Graphic Special? What shutter would be optimum?



A hat? Given the LONG exposures you're using, why would you need a
shutter?



Someone else indeed has suggested using the lens cap itself, but
this would lead to a lot of camera shake, it would seem to me.



Which is why you use a hat..

--

Stacey
 




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