Rec.photo** hijack

Dallas writes:

snip

I'm missing that thread, but I am curious: what the hell is a ZLR?

Zoom Lens Reflex. Shorthand for cameras like the Olympus E10 and E20,
which are real SLR's, but have a non-removable zoom lens. I think
Olympus makes some for film, too.

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Dallas writes:

snip

I'm missing that thread, but I am curious: what the hell is a ZLR?

Zoom Lens Reflex. Shorthand for cameras like the Olympus E10 and E20,
which are real SLR's, but have a non-removable zoom lens. I think
Olympus makes some for film, too.

--
-Stephen H. Westin
Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not
represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors.

Gordon Moat wrote:

I don't mind at all if a rec.photo.digital.slr group is created.
I think it would be a great place for many of those interested individuals
to go, and to leave r.p.e.35mm largely absent of direct digital SLR
discussions. I have no interest in participating in any digital news groups.

Of course r.p.d.slr makes sense, which is why I was surprised by RFD #4.
Also you are correct that most digicam owners don't understand the term
ZLR, let alone Rangefinder!

It might also make sense for the Shoot-In to move to a less-active group
such as rec.photo.technique.

In article ,
Chris Brown writes:

It's what some people call the non-detachable lens SLRs made by Olympus.
It's also what some people call the "prosumer" digicams that use electronic
viewfinders and therefore aren't reflex cameras at all.

Just a though, especially in light of some discussion I had seen about
an electronic viewfinder being useless for manual focusing: why not have
a zoom button that allows the user to zoom in on the centre of the
image of a digical to allow accurate focusing. A bit like using the
magnifier on a waste level finder?


rec.photo.digital.rangefinder

That Epson thing and none else?

I don't think there are any more. I can see Voigtlander/Cosina coming out
with their own version of the Epson RD1 (it is based on their 35mm
rangefinders after all), and Leica are supposedly working on their own
digital RF body, but ISTM that these would be just as productively discussed
in the SLR group, even though they're not reflex cameras.

A devotees might like one, but I can't see the advantages in digital.
If you wish to prefocus just use focus lock. The abscense of mirror slap
and noise is rather moot on a digicam. Mind you, if someone wants to
give me an Epsom...

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http://www.petezilla.co.uk

In article ,
Chris Brown writes:

It's what some people call the non-detachable lens SLRs made by Olympus.
It's also what some people call the "prosumer" digicams that use electronic
viewfinders and therefore aren't reflex cameras at all.

Just a though, especially in light of some discussion I had seen about
an electronic viewfinder being useless for manual focusing: why not have
a zoom button that allows the user to zoom in on the centre of the
image of a digical to allow accurate focusing. A bit like using the
magnifier on a waste level finder?


rec.photo.digital.rangefinder

That Epson thing and none else?

I don't think there are any more. I can see Voigtlander/Cosina coming out
with their own version of the Epson RD1 (it is based on their 35mm
rangefinders after all), and Leica are supposedly working on their own
digital RF body, but ISTM that these would be just as productively discussed
in the SLR group, even though they're not reflex cameras.

A devotees might like one, but I can't see the advantages in digital.
If you wish to prefocus just use focus lock. The abscense of mirror slap
and noise is rather moot on a digicam. Mind you, if someone wants to
give me an Epsom...

--

http://www.petezilla.co.uk

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:37:38 -0400, Stephen H. Westin wrote:

Dallas writes:

snip

I'm missing that thread, but I am curious: what the hell is a ZLR?

Zoom Lens Reflex. Shorthand for cameras like the Olympus E10 and E20,
which are real SLR's, but have a non-removable zoom lens. I think Olympus
makes some for film, too.

Yep, we definitely need a group for those.

--
Dallas www.dallasdahms.com
"Going down a dirty inner city side road I plotted
Madness passed me by, she smiled hi, I nodded"
- Sixto Rodriguez

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:37:38 -0400, Stephen H. Westin wrote:

Dallas writes:

snip

I'm missing that thread, but I am curious: what the hell is a ZLR?

Zoom Lens Reflex. Shorthand for cameras like the Olympus E10 and E20,
which are real SLR's, but have a non-removable zoom lens. I think Olympus
makes some for film, too.

Yep, we definitely need a group for those.

--
Dallas www.dallasdahms.com
"Going down a dirty inner city side road I plotted
Madness passed me by, she smiled hi, I nodded"
- Sixto Rodriguez

"Peter Chant" wrote in message
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In article ,
Chris Brown writes:

It's what some people call the non-detachable lens SLRs made by Olympus.
It's also what some people call the "prosumer" digicams that use
electronic
viewfinders and therefore aren't reflex cameras at all.

Just a though, especially in light of some discussion I had seen about
an electronic viewfinder being useless for manual focusing: why not have
a zoom button that allows the user to zoom in on the centre of the
image of a digical to allow accurate focusing. A bit like using the
magnifier on a waste level finder?

Some do, but it isn't enough to do really accurate focusing.

Jim Kramer

In article ,
"jimkramer" writes:

Some do, but it isn't enough to do really accurate focusing.

A bit odd. Is it the latency between adjusting the focus and the
image appearing in the veiwfinder too great?

--

http://www.petezilla.co.uk

"Peter Chant" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"jimkramer" writes:

Some do, but it isn't enough to do really accurate focusing.

A bit odd. Is it the latency between adjusting the focus and the
image appearing in the veiwfinder too great?

--

http://www.petezilla.co.uk

The resolution of the EVF just isn't enough to get a true feel for the fine
focus; it appears artificially sharp. The other killer is the near lack of
anything resembling an out of focus indication. Things just go slightly
soft, instead of being "really" out of focus, because of the shorter real
focal lengths of the small lens / sensor combinations being used. Sadly,
physics is against us in this endeavor.

Jim Kramer