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Seeking recommendation for Laptop (Windows) suitable for photography
On 2012-10-10 18:58:46 -0700, George Kerby said:
On 10/9/12 5:08 PM, in article , "ray" wrote: On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 16:18:37 -0400, nospam wrote: In article , ray wrote: Yeah, whatever. The point is that you don't have to run the MAC OS on the MAC computer. why buy a mac, if not to run mac os? In this particular case, because the hardware (monitor in particular) is reputed to be 'the best'. windows apps aren't going to take advantage of the retina display, so buying a macbook retina solely to install windows is actually stupid. Again, I'm only making the point that you're not locked into the OS that comes with the machine - I don't understand why you have such a problem with that. Because M$ Windoze SUCKS?!? Wait around long enough, and the truth will out! -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Seeking recommendation for Laptop (Windows) suitable forphotography
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 20:58:46 -0500, George Kerby wrote:
On 10/9/12 5:08 PM, in article , "ray" wrote: On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 16:18:37 -0400, nospam wrote: In article , ray wrote: Yeah, whatever. The point is that you don't have to run the MAC OS on the MAC computer. why buy a mac, if not to run mac os? In this particular case, because the hardware (monitor in particular) is reputed to be 'the best'. windows apps aren't going to take advantage of the retina display, so buying a macbook retina solely to install windows is actually stupid. Again, I'm only making the point that you're not locked into the OS that comes with the machine - I don't understand why you have such a problem with that. Because M$ Windoze SUCKS?!? I prefer not to use MS myself, but that is not the point. |
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Seeking recommendation for Laptop (Windows) suitable forphotography
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 11:39:21 -0400, nospam wrote:
In article , ray wrote: there is no gain in cutting off significant amounts of useful software. Agreed again, and on Macs you can run Mac OS X, windows and linux you can even have windows and Mac OS X running at the same time using the same processor. With a PC you can't, with a PC you can't run Mac OS X only linux and windows. I'll be sure to tell that to my friend who DOES that (run MAC OS/X on an MS machine). he had to spend quite a bit of time to get it to work, time that could be better spent doing useful work. worse, he has to continue to spend time maintaining it, since updates frequently break the mods needed to get it to work in the first place. Doesn't really require much time at all. also, be sure to tell him he's in violation of the eula. I believe he knows that. It is also true that copyright law gives you the legal right to do that. So what's the final outcome? and by the way, microsoft doesn't make machines, they only make an operating system. Absolutely, but MOST computers come with MS pre-installed. For me that makes Macs a better choice for those that might want to, whereas my brother only wants to run a tiger woods golf gamne so I'm advising him to buy almost any PC. If 'more restrictive' licensing is your criteria, then I guess that fits. maybe his criteria is using software that does what he wants, and that the 'more restrictive' licensing is not an issue. what are these restrictions that you find to be a problem? The restriction that apple EULA only wants you to run on their specific, proprietary hardware. |
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Seeking recommendation for Laptop (Windows) suitable for photography
On 10/9/2012 1:18 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , ray wrote: Yeah, whatever. The point is that you don't have to run the MAC OS on the MAC computer. why buy a mac, if not to run mac os? In this particular case, because the hardware (monitor in particular) is reputed to be 'the best'. windows apps aren't going to take advantage of the retina display, so buying a macbook retina solely to install windows is actually stupid. Windows 8 supports the retina display. Apps that support it are likely to soon follow. But the reality is, that for now, you can run OS-X and a photo app, while running other apps under Windows. You'd be surprised how many people buy Mac hardware and run Windows on it because they like the Apple hardware but need to run apps that aren't available on OS-X. The extra cost of the Mac hardware is not an issue. Apple could sell a lot more Macbooks if they made dual boot an extra-cost option and they installed both OSes. The Apple stores are a big advantage that drive Mac sales even to those customers that will run Windows. My friend's Macbook had the infamous screen separation problem, he brought it in, and they replaced it free, even though it was out of warranty. They said that because it was a design and manufacturing flaw, not anything he did to cause the problem, they would take care of him. His daughter had the problem with the Macbook power adapter, and even before the class action lawsuit where Apple agreed to free replacements, they gave her a no-questions asked free replacement because they were well aware of the problem. Apple was fixing Macbooks for the Nvidia GPU problem even before the class-action against all laptop makers using the Nvidia GPU with the thermal issues. You don't get the same level of service from other PC makers that sell at Fry's, Costco, and Best Buy. I think it helps that Apple is such a high-profile company. Making things right doesn't cost them much, does wonders for customer loyalty, and gains them good publicity. |
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Seeking recommendation for Laptop (Windows) suitable for photography
In article , ray
wrote: there is no gain in cutting off significant amounts of useful software. Agreed again, and on Macs you can run Mac OS X, windows and linux you can even have windows and Mac OS X running at the same time using the same processor. With a PC you can't, with a PC you can't run Mac OS X only linux and windows. I'll be sure to tell that to my friend who DOES that (run MAC OS/X on an MS machine). he had to spend quite a bit of time to get it to work, time that could be better spent doing useful work. worse, he has to continue to spend time maintaining it, since updates frequently break the mods needed to get it to work in the first place. Doesn't really require much time at all. it's time that can be better spent doing useful stuff, rather than trying to get things working. also, be sure to tell him he's in violation of the eula. I believe he knows that. It is also true that copyright law gives you the legal right to do that. So what's the final outcome? copyright law does no such thing. where in the world did you come up with that rubbish?? and by the way, microsoft doesn't make machines, they only make an operating system. Absolutely, but MOST computers come with MS pre-installed. macs don't, and just because microsoft windows is preinstalled on windows pcs does not make it a microsoft pc any more than it makes it a norton pc (which is also often preinstalled). For me that makes Macs a better choice for those that might want to, whereas my brother only wants to run a tiger woods golf gamne so I'm advising him to buy almost any PC. If 'more restrictive' licensing is your criteria, then I guess that fits. maybe his criteria is using software that does what he wants, and that the 'more restrictive' licensing is not an issue. what are these restrictions that you find to be a problem? The restriction that apple EULA only wants you to run on their specific, proprietary hardware. all hardware is proprietary. go design your own motherboard if you want non-proprietary hardware. have fun. |
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Seeking recommendation for Laptop (Windows) suitable for photography
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wrote: Yeah, whatever. The point is that you don't have to run the MAC OS on the MAC computer. why buy a mac, if not to run mac os? In this particular case, because the hardware (monitor in particular) is reputed to be 'the best'. windows apps aren't going to take advantage of the retina display, so buying a macbook retina solely to install windows is actually stupid. Windows 8 supports the retina display. Apps that support it are likely to soon follow. But the reality is, that for now, you can run OS-X and a photo app, while running other apps under Windows. windows 8 isn't out yet, but that's encouraging when it does ship, assuming people actually migrate to it. from the reactions i've seen so far, that's not a given. anyway, it will still be awhile until apps support retina displays, since there really isn't any demand for it, at least not yet. nearly all windows pcs do not have a high resolution display, so why bother. You'd be surprised how many people buy Mac hardware and run Windows on it because they like the Apple hardware but need to run apps that aren't available on OS-X. no i wouldn't. a lot of people buy macs and run windows in addition to os x. some people even buy macs *just* to run windows because the hardware is much nicer. The extra cost of the Mac hardware is not an issue. that's because there is no extra cost. prices are similar for similar specs. Apple could sell a lot more Macbooks if they made dual boot an extra-cost option and they installed both OSes. they already offer that option, and for *free*. boot camp is included and all you need to do is double-click boot camp assistant and provide a windows install disc, which many people already have. also, apple is selling all that they can make as it is. their sales are outpacing the market as a whole. they're also selling a *lot* more ipads and iphones, which is the future. The Apple stores are a big advantage that drive Mac sales even to those customers that will run Windows. My friend's Macbook had the infamous screen separation problem, he brought it in, and they replaced it free, even though it was out of warranty. They said that because it was a design and manufacturing flaw, not anything he did to cause the problem, they would take care of him. His daughter had the problem with the Macbook power adapter, and even before the class action lawsuit where Apple agreed to free replacements, they gave her a no-questions asked free replacement because they were well aware of the problem. Apple was fixing Macbooks for the Nvidia GPU problem even before the class-action against all laptop makers using the Nvidia GPU with the thermal issues. You don't get the same level of service from other PC makers that sell at Fry's, Costco, and Best Buy. very true. this is something people neglect to consider when looking only at the sticker price. i know someone who had a flaky macbook and apple replaced it with a new macbook, which was a couple of revisions newer than the one he had. he got a free upgrade. I think it helps that Apple is such a high-profile company. Making things right doesn't cost them much, does wonders for customer loyalty, and gains them good publicity. also true. |
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Seeking recommendation for Laptop (Windows) suitable for photography
On 11/10/2012 18:09, nospam wrote:
[] windows 8 isn't out yet, but that's encouraging when it does ship, assuming people actually migrate to it. from the reactions i've seen so far, that's not a given. anyway, it will still be awhile until apps support retina displays, since there really isn't any demand for it, at least not yet. nearly all windows pcs do not have a high resolution display, so why bother. [] Actually, Windows-8 /is/ out, but only to manufacturers and some others - e.g. MSDN subscribers. That's the vanilla version without PC manufacturers' bloat^H^H^H^H customisations. I have it running on a couple of PCs here, and it has some really nice features (once I restored a start menu!). But I don't see much of a need to upgrade existing Windows-7 systems for most users. Windows-8 is very similar to Windows-7 once a start menu is restored, with the additional tile-based "Metro" applications on the home screen. So far, I've not needed to run any of those. Both PCs I have are without touch-sensitive screens. I'm unsure what the display resolution limit is for high-end video cards with Windows. I see an Nvida and other cards listed as up to 2560x1600 pixels, which is not far off 2880 x 1800. I have been impressed with the display on the iPad3 (2048 x 1536 pixels), at least with its resolution, if not its accuracy with the darker shades of grey! It's easier on the eye when reading text, and the difference on images is just noticeable if you look closely. -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu |
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Seeking recommendation for Laptop (Windows) suitable for photography
On 12/10/2012 11:22, Whisky-dave wrote:
[] When I buy my OS X I can install it on virtually all my home computers at NO extra cost. Fopr Under £20 I';ve installed it on the two computers I want to npow how many copies of windows 7 and how much would they cost me to install W7 each computer, I need two copies don;t I at over £100 for the cheapest version. And why have a restricted license via differnt versions of W7? MS licenses are genrally far more retrictive, any mac app I buy I can install on all my home machines at no extra cost, now could you do that at home with MS Word, legally of course. You might look at some of the "family" or "student" licences which Microsoft offer. They are available for MS Office, I understand, and possibly for Windows as well. http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/micros...66741-pdt.html http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/ Don't forget that for a limited period, Microsoft is offering Windows-8 upgrade licences for about £14, IIRC. Oh, and you can get free "Office" syuites: http://www.openoffice.org/ http://www.libreoffice.org/download and run the same software on PC, Ma and Linux. http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu |
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Seeking recommendation for Laptop (Windows) suitable forphotography
On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 03:22:46 -0700, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 4:22:01 PM UTC+1, ray wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 03:24:27 -0700, Whisky-dave wrote: On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 9:18:37 PM UTC+1, nospam wrote: In article , ray wrote: Yeah, whatever. The point is that you don't have to run the MAC OS on the MAC computer. why buy a mac, if not to run mac os? In this particular case, because the hardware (monitor in particular) is reputed to be 'the best'. windows apps aren't going to take advantage of the retina display, so buying a macbook retina solely to install windows is actually stupid. I'd agree with that, Personally, I don't use MAC or MS. your loss. No, my gain. there is no gain in cutting off significant amounts of useful software. Agreed again, and on Macs you can run Mac OS X, windows and linux you can even have windows and Mac OS X running at the same time using the same processor. With a PC you can't, with a PC you can't run Mac OS X only linux and windows. I'll be sure to tell that to my friend who DOES that (run MAC OS/X on an MS machine). Perhaps you should ask you friend what MS machine he is running it on, as far as I know MS don;t make PCs they only hardware they make is the Xbox and the zune. Most retail computers come with MS pre-installed. For me that makes Macs a better choice for those that might want to, whereas my brother only wants to run a tiger woods golf gamne so I'm advising him to buy almost any PC. If 'more restrictive' licensing is your criteria, then I guess that fits. When I buy my OS X I can install it on virtually all my home computers at NO extra cost. Fopr Under £20 I';ve installed it on the two computers I want to npow how many copies of windows 7 and how much would they cost me to install W7 each computer, I need two copies don;t I at over £100 for the cheapest version. And why have a restricted license via differnt versions of W7? MS licenses are genrally far more retrictive, any mac app I buy I can install on all my home machines at no extra cost, now could you do that at home with MS Word, legally of course. The MAC EULA seems to restrict one to apple hardware. Please don't preach to me about MS restrictions - I don't use it. |
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Seeking recommendation for Laptop (Windows) suitable forphotography
On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:09:40 -0400, nospam wrote:
In article , ray wrote: there is no gain in cutting off significant amounts of useful software. Agreed again, and on Macs you can run Mac OS X, windows and linux you can even have windows and Mac OS X running at the same time using the same processor. With a PC you can't, with a PC you can't run Mac OS X only linux and windows. I'll be sure to tell that to my friend who DOES that (run MAC OS/X on an MS machine). he had to spend quite a bit of time to get it to work, time that could be better spent doing useful work. worse, he has to continue to spend time maintaining it, since updates frequently break the mods needed to get it to work in the first place. Doesn't really require much time at all. it's time that can be better spent doing useful stuff, rather than trying to get things working. also, be sure to tell him he's in violation of the eula. I believe he knows that. It is also true that copyright law gives you the legal right to do that. So what's the final outcome? copyright law does no such thing. where in the world did you come up with that rubbish?? Obviously, until test cases are run through the system no one knows exactly what is permitted and what is not. Here is one reference who seems to disagree with you: http://lowendmac.com/ed/fox/09ff/hac...-legality.html and by the way, microsoft doesn't make machines, they only make an operating system. Absolutely, but MOST computers come with MS pre-installed. macs don't, and just because microsoft windows is preinstalled on windows pcs does not make it a microsoft pc any more than it makes it a norton pc (which is also often preinstalled). For me that makes Macs a better choice for those that might want to, whereas my brother only wants to run a tiger woods golf gamne so I'm advising him to buy almost any PC. If 'more restrictive' licensing is your criteria, then I guess that fits. maybe his criteria is using software that does what he wants, and that the 'more restrictive' licensing is not an issue. what are these restrictions that you find to be a problem? The restriction that apple EULA only wants you to run on their specific, proprietary hardware. all hardware is proprietary. go design your own motherboard if you want non-proprietary hardware. have fun. Have your own way, but the MAC EULA limits your contractual use to macintosh hardware. |
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