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Seeking recommendation for Laptop (Windows) suitable forphotography
On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 14:40:37 -0400, nospam wrote:
In article , ray wrote: A knowledgeable tech should be able to install MS on it for you if that's what you really want. You don't need a knowledgeable tech or any tech at all. All Macs can run Windows. Just buy the Windows of your choice and follow the instructions to use Bootcamp. That requires you reboot the computer whenever you change from Mac OS to Windows. If you want less hassle, buy Parallels or similar. It's not a "simulation" the way older Macs ran Windows. Macs use the same Intel processors that Windows boxes use, and run it natively. You just have to pay extra for it and install it according to instructions. I use Windows XP on my iMac when I have to link to my office, whose software is proprietary and runs only on Windows, so I have about a 10 gig partition for that, set it up under Bootcamp, and just restart in Windows whenever I need to use it. Yeah, whatever. The point is that you don't have to run the MAC OS on the MAC computer. why buy a mac, if not to run mac os? In this particular case, because the hardware (monitor in particular) is reputed to be 'the best'. Personally, I don't use MAC or MS. your loss. No, my gain. |
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Seeking recommendation for Laptop (Windows) suitable for photography
In article , ray
wrote: Yeah, whatever. The point is that you don't have to run the MAC OS on the MAC computer. why buy a mac, if not to run mac os? In this particular case, because the hardware (monitor in particular) is reputed to be 'the best'. windows apps aren't going to take advantage of the retina display, so buying a macbook retina solely to install windows is actually stupid. Personally, I don't use MAC or MS. your loss. No, my gain. there is no gain in cutting off significant amounts of useful software. |
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Seeking recommendation for Laptop (Windows) suitable forphotography
On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 16:18:37 -0400, nospam wrote:
In article , ray wrote: Yeah, whatever. The point is that you don't have to run the MAC OS on the MAC computer. why buy a mac, if not to run mac os? In this particular case, because the hardware (monitor in particular) is reputed to be 'the best'. windows apps aren't going to take advantage of the retina display, so buying a macbook retina solely to install windows is actually stupid. Again, I'm only making the point that you're not locked into the OS that comes with the machine - I don't understand why you have such a problem with that. Personally, I don't use MAC or MS. your loss. No, my gain. there is no gain in cutting off significant amounts of useful software. There is a lot to gain when the software I have available for free does all that I need. |
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Seeking recommendation for Laptop (Windows) suitable for photography
In article , ray
wrote: Yeah, whatever. The point is that you don't have to run the MAC OS on the MAC computer. why buy a mac, if not to run mac os? In this particular case, because the hardware (monitor in particular) is reputed to be 'the best'. windows apps aren't going to take advantage of the retina display, so buying a macbook retina solely to install windows is actually stupid. Again, I'm only making the point that you're not locked into the OS that comes with the machine - I don't understand why you have such a problem with that. nobody said anyone was locked into the os that came with the machine. the main reason someone buys a mac is to use os x, not to install windows or linux, but they might install either or both *in addition* to os x. you seem to have a problem that people buy a mac and want to use os x. Personally, I don't use MAC or MS. your loss. No, my gain. there is no gain in cutting off significant amounts of useful software. There is a lot to gain when the software I have available for free does all that I need. then you have simple needs. |
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Seeking recommendation for Laptop (Windows) suitable for photography
On Monday, October 8, 2012 6:11:42 PM UTC+1, Wally wrote:
Am retiring the old ThinkPad and looking for a replacement. The new PC laptop should be fast enough to run Lightroom v4. And the display should be suitable for photography -- wide screen NOT preferred but may be OK as long as it has approx 1050 pixels or more vertically. (The old display was 1400x1050). It would be nice if the new computer was not too heavy, not too expensive, decent battery life, big HD, etc... but the most important requirements seems to me are speed for the software, and the display. Wally Get one with a SSD, upgrade the HDD to an SSD or have a secondary SSD drive. And check the SSD speed is fast, around 400 MB/s. ATM I am looking at replacing my HDD with an SSD and keeping the bulk of data on a NAS HDD. DanP |
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Seeking recommendation for Laptop (Windows) suitable forphotography
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 03:24:27 -0700, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 9:18:37 PM UTC+1, nospam wrote: In article , ray wrote: Yeah, whatever. The point is that you don't have to run the MAC OS on the MAC computer. why buy a mac, if not to run mac os? In this particular case, because the hardware (monitor in particular) is reputed to be 'the best'. windows apps aren't going to take advantage of the retina display, so buying a macbook retina solely to install windows is actually stupid. I'd agree with that, Personally, I don't use MAC or MS. your loss. No, my gain. there is no gain in cutting off significant amounts of useful software. Agreed again, and on Macs you can run Mac OS X, windows and linux you can even have windows and Mac OS X running at the same time using the same processor. With a PC you can't, with a PC you can't run Mac OS X only linux and windows. I'll be sure to tell that to my friend who DOES that (run MAC OS/X on an MS machine). For me that makes Macs a better choice for those that might want to, whereas my brother only wants to run a tiger woods golf gamne so I'm advising him to buy almost any PC. If 'more restrictive' licensing is your criteria, then I guess that fits. |
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Seeking recommendation for Laptop (Windows) suitable for photography
In article , ray
wrote: there is no gain in cutting off significant amounts of useful software. Agreed again, and on Macs you can run Mac OS X, windows and linux you can even have windows and Mac OS X running at the same time using the same processor. With a PC you can't, with a PC you can't run Mac OS X only linux and windows. I'll be sure to tell that to my friend who DOES that (run MAC OS/X on an MS machine). he had to spend quite a bit of time to get it to work, time that could be better spent doing useful work. worse, he has to continue to spend time maintaining it, since updates frequently break the mods needed to get it to work in the first place. also, be sure to tell him he's in violation of the eula. and by the way, microsoft doesn't make machines, they only make an operating system. For me that makes Macs a better choice for those that might want to, whereas my brother only wants to run a tiger woods golf gamne so I'm advising him to buy almost any PC. If 'more restrictive' licensing is your criteria, then I guess that fits. maybe his criteria is using software that does what he wants, and that the 'more restrictive' licensing is not an issue. what are these restrictions that you find to be a problem? |
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Seeking recommendation for Laptop (Windows) suitable for photography
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 07:22:40 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
wrote: On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 1:31:13 PM UTC+1, DanP wrote: On Monday, October 8, 2012 6:11:42 PM UTC+1, Wally wrote: Am retiring the old ThinkPad and looking for a replacement. The new PC laptop should be fast enough to run Lightroom v4. And the display should be suitable for photography -- wide screen NOT preferred but may be OK as long as it has approx 1050 pixels or more vertically. (The old display was 1400x1050). It would be nice if the new computer was not too heavy, not too expensive, decent battery life, big HD, etc... but the most important requirements seems to me are speed for the software, and the display. Wally Get one with a SSD, upgrade the HDD to an SSD or have a secondary SSD drive. And check the SSD speed is fast, around 400 MB/s. well personally I still think they are too expensive if you have to buy another HDD due to lack of capacity just aren't worth it unless the time you save starting up is that important. Beware of teh cheap SSD they aren't much faster and won't save much on power either. ATM I am looking at replacing my HDD with an SSD and keeping the bulk of data on a NAS HDD. Nice idea I hopew your NAS drive is backed up too. OK, I'm the OP, and here is a summary of what I think I've learned. - The best display by far is the Retina, which only comes on a MacBook. - This computer is very expensive. - The MacBook runs OS X, but it is possible to also run Windows on it. So I could run my familiar and already-bought PC software on it. - But only select software currently supports the Retina display. So running old PC S/W probably isn't going to work well. - PC laptops will probably be coming out with a Retina competitor soon. - I suppose the S/W support issue will also resolve over the next while... maybe. So it seems to me that I should wait a few months or maybe a year... It might then be possible to buy a PC laptop with a great display at a lower price (or a MacBook with the Retina at a higher price, which will run Windows if I want...). Wally |
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Seeking recommendation for Laptop (Windows) suitable for photography
In article , Wally
wrote: OK, I'm the OP, and here is a summary of what I think I've learned. - The best display by far is the Retina, which only comes on a MacBook. - This computer is very expensive. not compared to similar products, it isn't. the main reason it costs as much as it does is the retina display and ssd. most pcs (and even other macbooks) lack both of those. pc laptops don't have a retina display, but they do have ssd. go price out a 15" pc laptop with ssd and you'll see that the macbook really isn't as expensive as you think it is. however, if you want a less capable display and slower hard drive, then you can find a less expensive laptop, but that's because you have lower specs. - The MacBook runs OS X, but it is possible to also run Windows on it. So I could run my familiar and already-bought PC software on it. - But only select software currently supports the Retina display. So running old PC S/W probably isn't going to work well. - PC laptops will probably be coming out with a Retina competitor soon. not that soon. it will be a while until pc makers catch up and even longer for windows to support it. plus, apple is pretty much buying the entire production of the displays. it's going to be a while until retina displays are mainstream. - I suppose the S/W support issue will also resolve over the next while... maybe. So it seems to me that I should wait a few months or maybe a year... the longer you wait the better the machine will be, but at some point, you have to buy something. It might then be possible to buy a PC laptop with a great display at a lower price (or a MacBook with the Retina at a higher price, which will run Windows if I want...). if you want a retina display, you are going to have to pay extra for it, no matter who makes the computer. you aren't going to get the same specs at a lower price by buying a pc. once again, comparable spec machines cost roughly the same price. if you don't want a retina display (or an ssd), then you can get something less expensive. no surprise there. and the rumour is that apple will be coming out with another macbook with retina display, possibly as soon as next week. |
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