what's up with Nikon?

"Annika1980" wrote in message
...
If you don't have a product in that slot (if you're not competing with
yourself) then you'd announce several months early since you aren't
canibalizing your sales and also you might keep some of your base users
from
jumping ship to the competition. Minolta for example announced their
dSLR
last
February and we still don't know the ship date or price.

I've been wondering something. How long will it be before we start seeing
the
words "Minolta" and "vaporware" in the same posts?

You just answreed your own question...

"Wesley Jansen" wrote in message
link.net...

"Tony" wrote in message
. com...
Attempting to head off the loss of customers to Canon. Sort of a -
"Hey
guys - if you just hold on, we'll be here pretty soon."
Like the new professional sports/news camera Nikon just announced
last
week in time for the 2004 Summer Olympics, so all those Nikon pros can
catch --- Ooops! I guess that one is for the 2006 Winter Olympics.

Well Tony, nothing's changed has it? Whatever, whenever Nikon does
anything, it's trivial compared to the much idolized Canon. It's like
Canon
people are only concerned about who is perceived to be #1. Kind of like
the
attitude of some Americans who feel America is #1 and nobody, but nobody
should dream of disputing this. Despite your gloomy and negative
predictions about Nikon and its formidable new professional camera, I'll
wager Nikon will do quite well with it. I'd love to have it, and since it
will most likely be considerably less money than Canon's newest offering
of
the month, it has a much greater chance of getting into my bag. Not
taking
anything away from Canon, but it wears rather thin when Nikon announces a
truly great new camera, and all we get from you is....YAWN, who cares my
Canons will always be better.

It's not that the Nikon is crummy.
-It sounds like a GREAT camera in a ton of ways.
The problem is lies in the fact that they simply aren't keeping up.
Canon is consistently out-pacing them in both development, production, and
innovation. There are some exceptions to this...like Nikon's great idea of
wireless transmission. But Canon is SO much faster to respond that it's
just not an even field right now. This ends up meaning that for those who
need, and can budget the high end stuff, there will be a natural tendency to
gravitate toward Canon. Obviously not all. BUT... Ask this question:
What is the incentive for Canon users to gravitate TO Nikon. Answer: Very
little, if anything. The prevailing wind is now FROM Nikon TO Canon.
Personally, I don't care what one uses. I am ONLY interested in this "race"
as it benefits my needs (competition and it's effect on price and innovation
available to me). Also, for those with piles of high end glass, the fact
that Canon is the ONLY full-frame available means they HAVE to go Canon if
they want to keep in line with their long-familiar lens performance and
field of view.

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:57:34 +0000, Wesley Jansen wrote:


"Tony" wrote in message
. com...
Attempting to head off the loss of customers to Canon. Sort of a -
"Hey
guys - if you just hold on, we'll be here pretty soon."
Like the new professional sports/news camera Nikon just announced
last
week in time for the 2004 Summer Olympics, so all those Nikon pros can
catch --- Ooops! I guess that one is for the 2006 Winter Olympics.

Well Tony, nothing's changed has it? Whatever, whenever Nikon does
anything, it's trivial compared to the much idolized Canon. It's like
Canon people are only concerned about who is perceived to be #1. Kind of
like the attitude of some Americans who feel America is #1 and nobody, but
nobody should dream of disputing this. Despite your gloomy and negative
predictions about Nikon and its formidable new professional camera, I'll
wager Nikon will do quite well with it. I'd love to have it, and since it
will most likely be considerably less money than Canon's newest offering
of the month, it has a much greater chance of getting into my bag. Not
taking anything away from Canon, but it wears rather thin when Nikon
announces a truly great new camera, and all we get from you is....YAWN,
who cares my Canons will always be better.

Amazing how pre-occupied with Nikon so many of the Canon adulators are,
isn't it?

--
Dallas www.dallasdahms.com

"You know you're right! You're bloody well right!
You've bloody got a right to say!" ~ Supertramp

Bill Hilton wrote:

From: "leo"


Canon announces their new products a month, or two at the most, before they
appear in the market. Nikon's doing the FUD more than half a year away, like
the D70 and now the D2X.


If you have a product like the 1Ds that's currently shipping you typically
wouldn't announce the model replacing it (1Ds Mark II) until you're ready to
start shipping. Otherwise sales would dry up for the existing model. Same
deal with the 20D, they announce it and start shipping product within a couple
of weeks, and suddenly the 10D looks like yesterday's news.

If you don't have a product in that slot (if you're not competing with
yourself) then you'd announce several months early since you aren't
canibalizing your sales and also you might keep some of your base users from
jumping ship to the competition. Minolta for example announced their dSLR last
February and we still don't know the ship date or price.

...."this fall" (per their announcement).
....1149 UK Pounds (Jessops website in the UK), which is exorbitant. (All their
prices are exorbitant compared to B&H, Adorama, etc... it looks to be about
US$1200 to $1400... TBD).

I've written to both Adorama and B&H and they do not have pricing as yet.

Photokina should get us a refined estimate.

Cheers,
Alan


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Bill Hilton wrote:

From: "leo"


Canon announces their new products a month, or two at the most, before they
appear in the market. Nikon's doing the FUD more than half a year away, like
the D70 and now the D2X.


If you have a product like the 1Ds that's currently shipping you typically
wouldn't announce the model replacing it (1Ds Mark II) until you're ready to
start shipping. Otherwise sales would dry up for the existing model. Same
deal with the 20D, they announce it and start shipping product within a couple
of weeks, and suddenly the 10D looks like yesterday's news.

If you don't have a product in that slot (if you're not competing with
yourself) then you'd announce several months early since you aren't
canibalizing your sales and also you might keep some of your base users from
jumping ship to the competition. Minolta for example announced their dSLR last
February and we still don't know the ship date or price.

...."this fall" (per their announcement).
....1149 UK Pounds (Jessops website in the UK), which is exorbitant. (All their
prices are exorbitant compared to B&H, Adorama, etc... it looks to be about
US$1200 to $1400... TBD).

I've written to both Adorama and B&H and they do not have pricing as yet.

Photokina should get us a refined estimate.

Cheers,
Alan


--
-- rec.photo.equipment.35mm user resource:
-- http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm
-- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.--

Dallas wrote:

Amazing how pre-occupied with Nikon so many of the Canon adulators are,
isn't it?

Even more amazing are the two who go on and on and on and.....

--
John McWilliams

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
- Albert Einstein

Dallas wrote:

Amazing how pre-occupied with Nikon so many of the Canon adulators are,
isn't it?

Even more amazing are the two who go on and on and on and.....

--
John McWilliams

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
- Albert Einstein

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:51:08 -0700, Mark M wrote:


"S Lee" wrote in message
...
Mark M choreographed a chorus line of high-kicking electrons to spell
out:

Come on Nikon! I'm pulling for ya!

Again, at least part of that is because it'll compel the nice Canon
stuff to be a little less expensive

Which is the part I just LOVE!

How much cheap Canon schtuff you bought lately?

--
Dallas www.dallasdahms.com

"You know you're right! You're bloody well right!
You've bloody got a right to say!" ~ Supertramp

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:51:08 -0700, Mark M wrote:


"S Lee" wrote in message
...
Mark M choreographed a chorus line of high-kicking electrons to spell
out:

Come on Nikon! I'm pulling for ya!

Again, at least part of that is because it'll compel the nice Canon
stuff to be a little less expensive

Which is the part I just LOVE!

How much cheap Canon schtuff you bought lately?

--
Dallas www.dallasdahms.com

"You know you're right! You're bloody well right!
You've bloody got a right to say!" ~ Supertramp

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:14:57 -0700, Mark M wrote:

It's not that the Nikon is crummy.
-It sounds like a GREAT camera in a ton of ways. The problem is lies in
the fact that they simply aren't keeping up. Canon is consistently
out-pacing them in both development, production, and innovation. There
are some exceptions to this...like Nikon's great idea of wireless
transmission. But Canon is SO much faster to respond that it's just not
an even field right now. This ends up meaning that for those who need,
and can budget the high end stuff, there will be a natural tendency to
gravitate toward Canon. Obviously not all. BUT... Ask this question:
What is the incentive for Canon users to gravitate TO Nikon. Answer:
Very little, if anything. The prevailing wind is now FROM Nikon TO Canon.
Personally, I don't care what one uses. I am ONLY interested in this
"race" as it benefits my needs (competition and it's effect on price and
innovation available to me). Also, for those with piles of high end
glass, the fact that Canon is the ONLY full-frame available means they
HAVE to go Canon if they want to keep in line with their long-familiar
lens performance and field of view.

Tell me something, is this about photography or is it a race to see who
can have the most advanced camera first?

--
Dallas www.dallasdahms.com

"You know you're right! You're bloody well right!
You've bloody got a right to say!" ~ Supertramp