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Built-in flash in P&S digital and DSLR cameras
The other day, I saw the new Sony P&S camera - DSC H3. On top of the
camera, it was indicated that it has a strong built in flash. I went to search about built-in flash feature in a digital camera at the dpreview website and found the following: For P&S digital cameras: Canon G7 has a weak flash, Flash guide of 4m. Canon S51S is stronger. Sony H3 has a Flash guide no. of 7m, while as Sony DSC H7 or H9 is the strongest I found for P&S camera - Flash Guide of 9.8m. Canon SX100 is even worse than the G7/G9 - at only 3m. Lumix Fz18/FZ8 has a flash guide of 6m, and FZ50 has 7m. Nikon 5100 is much better than G7/G9 at 8m. For DSLR: Most cameras with built-in flash has Flash Guide around 11-13m. Canon 5D does not even have a built-in flash. Surprisingly, Nikon D40 and D40x has flash guide no. of 17m. As comparison, Canon 40D/30D/Xti all have only a flash guide of 12m. - Why P&S cameras have relatively weaker built-in flash than the DSLR? Could P&S cameras be designed to have stronger built-in flash like a DSLR? - I noticed that my P&S camera usually is too weak to take picture in large indoors (restaurant, meeting halls, etc). Could this be improved by stronger flash? I have always complained in the past that most P&S cameras have tiny built-in flash, and without a hot-shoe, you cannot improve your lighting in indoor shots. - Anyone tried the built-in flash in Sony H3 or Sony H7 and H9?. Are they much better than flash in other cameras, particularly the low ones like Canon G7/SX100? Does this mean that Sony H3/H7/H9 is superior for taking photo indoors for people in a group than, say Canon G7/G9? I found that Sony H3 is a good competitor against Canon G7/G9 or Nikon P5100. It may have less features than G7/G9, but it makes good quality images and it is cheaper than a G7/G9. It is also as compact as a G7/G9 or Nikon P5100. - Is built in flash in Nikon D40x really stronger than flash in a Canon Xti? - How much difference are relatively between a Flash Guide of 3m, 7m, 12m and 17m ? I assume that this is all based on ASA100? Does a flash guide 17m mean that you can get a good coverage of flash to 17m distance? - Panasonic Lumix L1 is about the only DSLR camera that has extended pop-up flash feature (ie. 2 level heights). What is the advantage of this? Less red-eye images? - Are there digital cameras (P&S or DSLR) which have two or more modes of flash strength in their built in flash? Thanks for the info and discussion. |
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:11:32 -0800, aniramca wrote:
The other day, I saw the new Sony P&S camera - DSC H3. On top of the camera, it was indicated that it has a strong built in flash. I went to search about built-in flash feature in a digital camera at the dpreview website and found the following: For P&S digital cameras: Canon G7 has a weak flash, Flash guide of 4m. Canon S51S is stronger. Sony H3 has a Flash guide no. of 7m, while as Sony DSC H7 or H9 is the strongest I found for P&S camera - Flash Guide of 9.8m. Canon SX100 is even worse than the G7/G9 - at only 3m. Lumix Fz18/FZ8 has a flash guide of 6m, and FZ50 has 7m. Nikon 5100 is much better than G7/G9 at 8m. For DSLR: Most cameras with built-in flash has Flash Guide around 11-13m. Canon 5D does not even have a built-in flash. Surprisingly, Nikon D40 and D40x has flash guide no. of 17m. As comparison, Canon 40D/30D/Xti all have only a flash guide of 12m. - Why P&S cameras have relatively weaker built-in flash than the DSLR? Could P&S cameras be designed to have stronger built-in flash like a DSLR? - I noticed that my P&S camera usually is too weak to take picture in large indoors (restaurant, meeting halls, etc). Could this be improved by stronger flash? I have always complained in the past that most P&S cameras have tiny built-in flash, and without a hot-shoe, you cannot improve your lighting in indoor shots. hotshoe slave - Anyone tried the built-in flash in Sony H3 or Sony H7 and H9?. Are they much better than flash in other cameras, particularly the low ones like Canon G7/SX100? Does this mean that Sony H3/H7/H9 is superior for taking photo indoors for people in a group than, say Canon G7/G9? I found that Sony H3 is a good competitor against Canon G7/G9 or Nikon P5100. It may have less features than G7/G9, but it makes good quality images and it is cheaper than a G7/G9. It is also as compact as a G7/G9 or Nikon P5100. - Is built in flash in Nikon D40x really stronger than flash in a Canon Xti? - How much difference are relatively between a Flash Guide of 3m, 7m, 12m and 17m ? I assume that this is all based on ASA100? Does a flash guide 17m mean that you can get a good coverage of flash to 17m distance? - Panasonic Lumix L1 is about the only DSLR camera that has extended pop-up flash feature (ie. 2 level heights). What is the advantage of this? Less red-eye images? - Are there digital cameras (P&S or DSLR) which have two or more modes of flash strength in their built in flash? Thanks for the info and discussion. |
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:29:55 +0000, bugbear
wrote: wrote: - Why P&S cameras have relatively weaker built-in flash than the DSLR? Could P&S cameras be designed to have stronger built-in flash like a DSLR? - I noticed that my P&S camera usually is too weak to take picture in large indoors (restaurant, meeting halls, etc). Could this be improved by stronger flash? I have always complained in the past that most P&S cameras have tiny built-in flash, and without a hot-shoe, you cannot improve your lighting in indoor shots. Unless you have a truly powerful flash, you're doomed; this pretty much means off camera, and BIG (read heavy). On camera-flashes are (IMHO) a nice "get a shot" work rounds, when the alternative is getting nothing, but most on-camera flashes don't give you good shots: just snaps. I despise use of flash as the main source of light for any and all photography. The on-board flash in any camera is more than enough needed for the occasional fill-flash touch-ups that I'll allow in my photos. Meaning, they are more flash than anyone really ever needs. IF they are a worthwhile photographer shooting real-life scenarios and not working with staged studio shots. Then no studio-photographer in his right mind would ever use a flash that near the camera anyway, unless for some garish special-effect. The only exception I'll allow myself is when trying to document a subject where there is no available light to work with. |
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bugbear added these comments in the current discussion du jour
.... wrote: - Why P&S cameras have relatively weaker built-in flash than the DSLR? Could P&S cameras be designed to have stronger built-in flash like a DSLR? - I noticed that my P&S camera usually is too weak to take picture in large indoors (restaurant, meeting halls, etc). Could this be improved by stronger flash? I have always complained in the past that most P&S cameras have tiny built-in flash, and without a hot-shoe, you cannot improve your lighting in indoor shots. Unless you have a truly powerful flash, you're doomed; this pretty much means off camera, and BIG (read heavy). On camera-flashes are (IMHO) a nice "get a shot" work rounds, when the alternative is getting nothing, but most on-camera flashes don't give you good shots: just snaps. I would agree with you. By analogy, I view the built-in flash on my Rebel XT to be about the equivalent of the old flash cubes on Kodak Instamatic cameras, useful mainly for short-distance snapshots. However, I do not dismiss or diminish the value of my feeble flash. In fact, I will often sling my Rebel sans my 430EX over my shoulder with just the little kit lens on it when I go someplace. One never knows when a photo op might appear, but I don't want to lug in excess of 3-4 pounds and a huge chunk of "iron" around with me unless I KNOW that I'm going to be shooting something specific, like a indoor car show, museum, or the like or even an outdoor car show without flash. And, if I take my camera to my daughter's house and grab a few candids of her playing with her dog and cat, a minimal size and weight system works just fine and distance never exceed 10-12 feet (but if they do, I do an effective doubling of the GN by upping ISO from 100 to 200). I don't think ANY on camera flash would have improved this: http://s48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...bar/?action=vi ew¤t=bar1.jpg (check the EXIF) BugBear (big fan of high ISO, and available light) -- HP, aka Jerry |
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On Nov 12, 10:11 am, wrote:
The other day, I saw the new Sony P&S camera - DSC H3. On top of the camera, it was indicated that it has a strong built in flash. I went to search about built-in flash feature in a digital camera at the dpreview website and found the following: For P&S digital cameras: Canon G7 has a weak flash, Flash guide of 4m. Canon S51S is stronger. Sony H3 has a Flash guide no. of 7m, while as Sony DSC H7 or H9 is the strongest I found for P&S camera - Flash Guide of 9.8m. Canon SX100 is even worse than the G7/G9 - at only 3m. Lumix Fz18/FZ8 has a flash guide of 6m, and FZ50 has 7m. Nikon 5100 is much better than G7/G9 at 8m. For DSLR: Most cameras with built-in flash has Flash Guide around 11-13m. Canon 5D does not even have a built-in flash. Surprisingly, Nikon D40 and D40x has flash guide no. of 17m. As comparison, Canon 40D/30D/Xti all have only a flash guide of 12m. - Why P&S cameras have relatively weaker built-in flash than the DSLR? Could P&S cameras be designed to have stronger built-in flash like a DSLR? - I noticed that my P&S camera usually is too weak to take picture in large indoors (restaurant, meeting halls, etc). Could this be improved by stronger flash? I have always complained in the past that most P&S cameras have tiny built-in flash, and without a hot-shoe, you cannot improve your lighting in indoor shots. - Anyone tried the built-in flash in Sony H3 or Sony H7 and H9?. Are they much better than flash in other cameras, particularly the low ones like Canon G7/SX100? Does this mean that Sony H3/H7/H9 is superior for taking photo indoors for people in a group than, say Canon G7/G9? I found that Sony H3 is a good competitor against Canon G7/G9 or Nikon P5100. It may have less features than G7/G9, but it makes good quality images and it is cheaper than a G7/G9. It is also as compact as a G7/G9 or Nikon P5100. - Is built in flash in Nikon D40x really stronger than flash in a Canon Xti? - How much difference are relatively between a Flash Guide of 3m, 7m, 12m and 17m ? I assume that this is all based on ASA100? Does a flash guide 17m mean that you can get a good coverage of flash to 17m distance? - Panasonic Lumix L1 is about the only DSLR camera that has extended pop-up flash feature (ie. 2 level heights). What is the advantage of this? Less red-eye images? - Are there digital cameras (P&S or DSLR) which have two or more modes of flash strength in their built in flash? Thanks for the info and discussion. Why not put a big flash built into a camera? Think of it this way: look at what a big flash looks like. It's a sensor down low, batteries in the middle and a flash on top. That's pretty much it. You never see the sensor on top and the flash on the bottom. It's because all kinds of bad things happen when you put a big flash near the lens. In fact for weddings and such, everyone uses an arm to get the flash-head higher yet. That's the first reason. The second reason is cost. Say you have a $200 p&s with a big flash built in. But a EX580 goes for something like $500. So you now have a $700 p&s camera, You've just prices yourself out of any sales. |
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:22:52 GMT, r.p.d.'s well known sock puppet
landon crowly crowed lowly: I despise . . . We know, we know. The list of things that you've told us that you despise is immense and is sure to continue expanding. Perhaps some day it will approach the size of your ego, Biddy. |
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