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adobe dng query
On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:44:21 -0500, Dave wrote:
Ken Weitzel wrote: ray wrote: On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 04:40:34 +0000, Ken Weitzel wrote: ray wrote: Is there any way to create a dng file other than using PS? I've looked and can't find any. I be particularly interested in a Linux solution. Is it the case that Adobe is keeping this a proprietary format? Hi Ray... Adobe has a couple of (free) converters on their site, for Windows and Mac. Unfortunately so far nothing for 'nix. Take care. Ken I just tried the Adobe DNG Converter in Wine on Ubuntu 6.1 and it worked fine.(.cr2 files from my 400D) Now the question,what can you do with .dng files in Linux?? Dave There are a number of programs which will read the raw files - bibble, lightzone, ufraw, gimp. I'd really like to be able to convert some old tiff and jpeg files and fradiddle them with ufraw. |
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ray wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:44:21 -0500, Dave wrote: Ken Weitzel wrote: ray wrote: On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 04:40:34 +0000, Ken Weitzel wrote: ray wrote: Is there any way to create a dng file other than using PS? I've looked and can't find any. I be particularly interested in a Linux solution. Is it the case that Adobe is keeping this a proprietary format? Hi Ray... Adobe has a couple of (free) converters on their site, for Windows and Mac. Unfortunately so far nothing for 'nix. Take care. Ken I just tried the Adobe DNG Converter in Wine on Ubuntu 6.1 and it worked fine.(.cr2 files from my 400D) Now the question,what can you do with .dng files in Linux?? Dave There are a number of programs which will read the raw files - bibble, lightzone, ufraw, gimp. I'd really like to be able to convert some old tiff and jpeg files and fradiddle them with ufraw. I tried loading the .dng files in Gimp 2.2.13 and it didn't like em at all.finally opened a pic it claimed to be 276 pixels wide?? No problem in Lightzone or Rawshooter but those were Windows progs.Didn't think to try Ufraw with .dng. Dave -- |
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Dave wrote:
ray wrote: On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:44:21 -0500, Dave wrote: Ken Weitzel wrote: ray wrote: On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 04:40:34 +0000, Ken Weitzel wrote: ray wrote: Is there any way to create a dng file other than using PS? I've looked and can't find any. I be particularly interested in a Linux solution. Is it the case that Adobe is keeping this a proprietary format? Hi Ray... Adobe has a couple of (free) converters on their site, for Windows and Mac. Unfortunately so far nothing for 'nix. Take care. Ken I just tried the Adobe DNG Converter in Wine on Ubuntu 6.1 and it worked fine.(.cr2 files from my 400D) Now the question,what can you do with .dng files in Linux?? Dave There are a number of programs which will read the raw files - bibble, lightzone, ufraw, gimp. I'd really like to be able to convert some old tiff and jpeg files and fradiddle them with ufraw. I tried loading the .dng files in Gimp 2.2.13 and it didn't like em at all.finally opened a pic it claimed to be 276 pixels wide?? No problem in Lightzone or Rawshooter but those were Windows progs.Didn't think to try Ufraw with .dng. Dave Never mind,duh,open in Gimp without Ufraw..kind of skipped a step there didn't I??? Dave -- |
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adobe dng query
Little Juice Coupe wrote:
No. DNG is not proprietary. Any one can use it. As to why Adobe hasn't made DNG for Linux the answer is simple why bother. The vast majority of Adobe's user base either uses Windows or to a much lesser extent a Mac. I seriously doubt the geeks that use Linux even hardly registers on their radar and certainly not enough to spend the money to convert. Circular reasoning. Few Linux users use Photoshop, etc because it's not available on Linux. -- Man who jump off cliff jumps to conclusion! /\ /\ /\ / / \/ \ u e e n / \/ a w a z anl |
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Mueen Nawaz wrote:
Little Juice Coupe wrote: No. DNG is not proprietary. Any one can use it. As to why Adobe hasn't made DNG for Linux the answer is simple why bother. The vast majority of Adobe's user base either uses Windows or to a much lesser extent a Mac. I seriously doubt the geeks that use Linux even hardly registers on their radar and certainly not enough to spend the money to convert. Circular reasoning. Few Linux users use Photoshop, etc because it's not available on Linux. We should also note that DNG is indeed a propreitary format, which is controlled and maintaind by Adobe. The fact that is is published does *not* make it an "Open Standard". The supposed problems with not being able to find software to support the various formats used by camera manufacturerers is not different than Adobe not providing a DNG converter for other than Microsoft and Apple based systems (in essense, only for Photoshop). DNG is mostly just hype by Adobe to shift advantages from one aspect of engineering from the makers of image software to the makers of camera hardware. It would be to Adobe's advantage, but not an advantage for a manufacturer. It makes virtually *no* difference to the camera user, in theory. Of course if a significant majority of cameras actually did use DNG, Adobe would then be able to leverage their position, and users might well suffer, right along with manufacturers and competitors. Adobe of course is hoping that by marketing DNG to users that they can cause manufacturers to follow. -- Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
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adobe dng query
Mueen Nawaz wrote:
Little Juice Coupe wrote: No. DNG is not proprietary. Any one can use it. As to why Adobe hasn't made DNG for Linux the answer is simple why bother. The vast majority of Adobe's user base either uses Windows or to a much lesser extent a Mac. I seriously doubt the geeks that use Linux even hardly registers on their radar and certainly not enough to spend the money to convert. Circular reasoning. Few Linux users use Photoshop, etc because it's not available on Linux. Rather reminds me of my sister in law's answer to why she never turned her cell phone on when out of the house. "No one ever calls me." She never did understand why I thought that hilarious.... |
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adobe dng query
Mueen Nawaz wrote:
Few Linux users use Photoshop, etc because it's not available on Linux. About 8-9 years ago Adobe ported Photoshop (probably 4.0 at that time) to Unix, thinking there might be a market for it for people with high powered workstations ... the sales were so insignificant that Adobe didn't bother offering new versions though. I'm sure a lot of Unix/Linux users would like to have Photoshop but would they actually pay for it in enough numbers to make it worthwhile for the vendor? Probably not ... Bill (not anti-Unix, I worked for 18 years with Unix-based Sun and, earlier, Apollo workstations) |
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Bill Hilton wrote:
About 8-9 years ago Adobe ported Photoshop (probably 4.0 at that time) to Unix, thinking there might be a market for it for people with high powered workstations ... the sales were so insignificant that Adobe didn't bother offering new versions though. Adobe ported Photoshop to Unix platforms until version 3, IIRC. They extracted a fee (extortion you might say) to pay for porting efforts. I believe SGI was the last company to pay that porting fee. The Wikipedia article on Photoshop agrees with my recollection of 3, so if it's wrong, please correct us Bill. |
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Bill Hilton wrote:
I'm sure a lot of Unix/Linux users would like to have Photoshop but would they actually pay for it in enough numbers to make it worthwhile for the vendor? Probably not ... If it works, they'll pay. There are plenty of people running it via Wine. And plenty more who want to, but can't configure Wine well enough to get it to work. -- For people who like peace and quiet: a phoneless cord. /\ /\ /\ / / \/ \ u e e n / \/ a w a z anl |
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adobe dng query
On Dec 26, 3:50 am, ray wrote:
Is there any way to create a dng file other than using PS? I've looked and can't find any. I be particularly interested in a Linux solution. Is it the case that Adobe is keeping this a proprietary format? Here is about 15-20 pages on the subject of DNG. I'm coming to this thread late, having been out of touch over Christmas, so I won't try to respond directly: http://www.barrypearson.co.uk/articles/dng/ PS is one software product that can't create a DNG file! But the ACR plug-in can. So can various other products. Most DNG conversions use one of the Adobe products, and they don't run directly on Linux - hence WINE, as others have said. (There are several other DNG Converters written by other people, and several other products that write DNG files, but typically for specialist purposes. DNG is so open that even Adobe don't know all the products that have been written to support it). DNG is as open as TIFF. So if you are satisfied that TIFF is open, then so is DNG. Whether it is an open standard depends on your definition of "open standard". See the following article: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=20055362 In response to: "There is no independent non-commercial body governing the matter", this response is: "That is not a requirement for open standards. The man who coined the term and founded "The Open Group" laid down the definition that the only requirements are that the standard documentation and whatever intellectual property is required to implement it (patents, copyrights, etc) be available to anyone on a RAND (reasonable and non non-discriminatory) basis. "Later government agencies like the ITU and the EU trying to push varying agendas started adding all sorts of cruft about committees, because they are committee organizations that exist to propagate committees". By that definition, DNG is open. DNG is supported in some way by more than 140 products from more than 130 companies. There is no attempt to lock-in to Adobe products. -- Barry Pearson http://www.barry.pearson.name/photography/ |
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