adobe dng query

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:44:21 -0500, Dave wrote:

Ken Weitzel wrote:
ray wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 04:40:34 +0000, Ken Weitzel wrote:

ray wrote:
Is there any way to create a dng file other than using PS? I've
looked and
can't find any. I be particularly interested in a Linux solution. Is it
the case that Adobe is keeping this a proprietary format?
Hi Ray...


Adobe has a couple of (free) converters on their site, for Windows
and Mac. Unfortunately so far nothing for 'nix.

Take care.

Ken


I just tried the Adobe DNG Converter in Wine on Ubuntu 6.1 and it worked
fine.(.cr2 files from my 400D) Now the question,what can you do with
.dng files in Linux??

Dave

There are a number of programs which will read the raw files - bibble,
lightzone, ufraw, gimp. I'd really like to be able to convert some old
tiff and jpeg files and fradiddle them with ufraw.

ray wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:44:21 -0500, Dave wrote:

Ken Weitzel wrote:
ray wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 04:40:34 +0000, Ken Weitzel wrote:

ray wrote:
Is there any way to create a dng file other than using PS? I've
looked and
can't find any. I be particularly interested in a Linux solution. Is it
the case that Adobe is keeping this a proprietary format?
Hi Ray...

Adobe has a couple of (free) converters on their site, for Windows
and Mac. Unfortunately so far nothing for 'nix.

Take care.

Ken


I just tried the Adobe DNG Converter in Wine on Ubuntu 6.1 and it worked
fine.(.cr2 files from my 400D) Now the question,what can you do with
.dng files in Linux??

Dave

There are a number of programs which will read the raw files - bibble,
lightzone, ufraw, gimp. I'd really like to be able to convert some old
tiff and jpeg files and fradiddle them with ufraw.

I tried loading the .dng files in Gimp 2.2.13 and it didn't like em at
all.finally opened a pic it claimed to be 276 pixels wide?? No problem
in Lightzone or Rawshooter but those were Windows progs.Didn't think to
try Ufraw with .dng.

Dave

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Dave wrote:
ray wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:44:21 -0500, Dave wrote:

Ken Weitzel wrote:
ray wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 04:40:34 +0000, Ken Weitzel wrote:

ray wrote:
Is there any way to create a dng file other than using PS? I've
looked and
can't find any. I be particularly interested in a Linux solution.
Is it
the case that Adobe is keeping this a proprietary format?
Hi Ray...

Adobe has a couple of (free) converters on their site, for Windows
and Mac. Unfortunately so far nothing for 'nix.

Take care.

Ken


I just tried the Adobe DNG Converter in Wine on Ubuntu 6.1 and it
worked fine.(.cr2 files from my 400D) Now the question,what can you
do with .dng files in Linux??

Dave

There are a number of programs which will read the raw files - bibble,
lightzone, ufraw, gimp. I'd really like to be able to convert some old
tiff and jpeg files and fradiddle them with ufraw.

I tried loading the .dng files in Gimp 2.2.13 and it didn't like em at
all.finally opened a pic it claimed to be 276 pixels wide?? No problem
in Lightzone or Rawshooter but those were Windows progs.Didn't think to
try Ufraw with .dng.

Dave

Never mind,duh,open in Gimp without Ufraw..kind of skipped a step there
didn't I???

Dave

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Little Juice Coupe wrote:
No. DNG is not proprietary. Any one can use it. As to why Adobe hasn't made
DNG for Linux the answer is simple why bother. The vast majority of Adobe's
user base either uses Windows or to a much lesser extent a Mac. I seriously
doubt the geeks that use Linux even hardly registers on their radar and
certainly not enough to spend the money to convert.

Circular reasoning.

Few Linux users use Photoshop, etc because it's not available on Linux.

--
Man who jump off cliff jumps to conclusion!


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anl

Mueen Nawaz wrote:
Little Juice Coupe wrote:
No. DNG is not proprietary. Any one can use it. As to why
Adobe hasn't made DNG for Linux the answer is simple why
bother. The vast majority of Adobe's user base either uses
Windows or to a much lesser extent a Mac. I seriously doubt
the geeks that use Linux even hardly registers on their radar
and certainly not enough to spend the money to convert.

Circular reasoning.

Few Linux users use Photoshop, etc because it's not available on Linux.

We should also note that DNG is indeed a propreitary format,
which is controlled and maintaind by Adobe. The fact that is
is published does *not* make it an "Open Standard".

The supposed problems with not being able to find software to
support the various formats used by camera manufacturerers is
not different than Adobe not providing a DNG converter for other
than Microsoft and Apple based systems (in essense, only for
Photoshop).

DNG is mostly just hype by Adobe to shift advantages from one
aspect of engineering from the makers of image software to the
makers of camera hardware. It would be to Adobe's advantage,
but not an advantage for a manufacturer.

It makes virtually *no* difference to the camera user, in
theory. Of course if a significant majority of cameras actually
did use DNG, Adobe would then be able to leverage their
position, and users might well suffer, right along with
manufacturers and competitors.

Adobe of course is hoping that by marketing DNG to users that
they can cause manufacturers to follow.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

Mueen Nawaz wrote:
Little Juice Coupe wrote:
No. DNG is not proprietary. Any one can use it. As to why Adobe hasn't
made DNG for Linux the answer is simple why bother. The vast majority
of Adobe's user base either uses Windows or to a much lesser extent a
Mac. I seriously doubt the geeks that use Linux even hardly registers
on their radar and certainly not enough to spend the money to convert.

Circular reasoning.

Few Linux users use Photoshop, etc because it's not available on Linux.


Rather reminds me of my sister in law's answer to why she never turned
her cell phone on when out of the house. "No one ever calls me." She
never did understand why I thought that hilarious....

Mueen Nawaz wrote:

Few Linux users use Photoshop, etc because it's not available
on Linux.

About 8-9 years ago Adobe ported Photoshop (probably 4.0 at that time)
to Unix, thinking there might be a market for it for people with high
powered workstations ... the sales were so insignificant that Adobe
didn't bother offering new versions though.

I'm sure a lot of Unix/Linux users would like to have Photoshop but
would they actually pay for it in enough numbers to make it worthwhile
for the vendor? Probably not ...

Bill
(not anti-Unix, I worked for 18 years with Unix-based Sun and, earlier,
Apollo workstations)

Bill Hilton wrote:

About 8-9 years ago Adobe ported Photoshop (probably 4.0 at that time)
to Unix, thinking there might be a market for it for people with high
powered workstations ... the sales were so insignificant that Adobe
didn't bother offering new versions though.

Adobe ported Photoshop to Unix platforms until version 3, IIRC.
They extracted a fee (extortion you might say) to pay for porting efforts.
I believe SGI was the last company to pay that porting fee.

The Wikipedia article on Photoshop agrees with my recollection of 3,
so if it's wrong, please correct us Bill.

Bill Hilton wrote:
I'm sure a lot of Unix/Linux users would like to have Photoshop but
would they actually pay for it in enough numbers to make it worthwhile
for the vendor? Probably not ...

If it works, they'll pay. There are plenty of people running it via
Wine. And plenty more who want to, but can't configure Wine well enough
to get it to work.

--
For people who like peace and quiet: a phoneless cord.


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anl

On Dec 26, 3:50 am, ray wrote:
Is there any way to create a dng file other than using PS? I've looked and
can't find any. I be particularly interested in a Linux solution. Is it
the case that Adobe is keeping this a proprietary format?

Here is about 15-20 pages on the subject of DNG. I'm coming to this
thread late, having been out of touch over Christmas, so I won't try to
respond directly:
http://www.barrypearson.co.uk/articles/dng/

PS is one software product that can't create a DNG file! But the ACR
plug-in can. So can various other products. Most DNG conversions use
one of the Adobe products, and they don't run directly on Linux - hence
WINE, as others have said. (There are several other DNG Converters
written by other people, and several other products that write DNG
files, but typically for specialist purposes. DNG is so open that even
Adobe don't know all the products that have been written to support
it).

DNG is as open as TIFF. So if you are satisfied that TIFF is open, then
so is DNG. Whether it is an open standard depends on your definition of
"open standard". See the following article:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=20055362

In response to: "There is no independent non-commercial body governing
the matter", this response is:

"That is not a requirement for open standards. The man who coined the
term and founded "The Open Group" laid down the definition that the
only requirements are that the standard documentation and whatever
intellectual property is required to implement it (patents, copyrights,
etc) be available to anyone on a RAND (reasonable and non
non-discriminatory) basis.

"Later government agencies like the ITU and the EU trying to push
varying agendas started adding all sorts of cruft about committees,
because they are committee organizations that exist to propagate
committees".

By that definition, DNG is open. DNG is supported in some way by more
than 140 products from more than 130 companies. There is no attempt to
lock-in to Adobe products.

--
Barry Pearson
http://www.barry.pearson.name/photography/