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Hi, I need to vent a little.
I just returned from Grand Teton National Park and had a wonderful time, spectacular weather (meaning a great storm then clearing clouds to make it interesting). I saw moose every day, along with deer, elk coyotes, bald eagles, osprey, etc. I was imaging with my 4x5 and with digital from wide to long telephoto. Multiple times, other amateurs would generally ask if they were in the way of a shot, or if they were, they all quickly moved when I said something. Everyone was very nice. Except "The Pro." I was at Oxbow Bend the morning after the storm, I with clearing fog and clouds just after sunrise. It was one of the prettiest mornings I've ever seen there, and I've seen dozens. I had the 4x5 set up very close to the bushes, so there is plenty of room all around and there are only a couple of other people there. Two women stop, and approach my area. One is dressed very nice, the other has a camera in here hand (looked like a high-end 35mm body). She points to a spot in front of my camera. I have the dark slide pulled on the 4x5 and am ready to trip the shutter. These two people move into the camera field of view, which was relatively narrow as I was using a 210mm lens. I explained that they were in my field of view and I was about the take a picture. The woman with the camera said: "I am a professional photographer and am getting paid to do a shoot." I said "common courtesy would say you should wait until I am done. There are plenty of spots to photograph here." She responded: "This is a public park and I am a professional, I can go where I want." They proceeded to stay in my field of view while she photographed the other woman. She would not give me her name. I called her a jerk and said no real professional photographer would act this way. I had to wait until they were finished before I could shoot again. Fortunately, the clouds and light were not changing fast, so I got good images, just not one of those I was planning. They continued shooting at other places along Oxbow Bend so it shows that my spot was not the only location, even for the "pro." While I did not let the incident ruin my day, I wonder what I might have done differently. Next time, as soon as there might appear to be a problem, I think I will act interested that they are a pro and get their name and a card before a confrontation starts. Do "pros" shooting models need a license in the park? I would report them to the park service, but I don't think it would do any good. Roger http://www.clarkvision.com |
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"Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark)" wrote in
: Hi, I need to vent a little. I just returned from Grand Teton National Park and had a wonderful time, spectacular weather (meaning a great storm then clearing clouds to make it interesting). I saw moose every day, along with deer, elk coyotes, bald eagles, osprey, etc. I was imaging with my 4x5 and with digital from wide to long telephoto. Multiple times, other amateurs would generally ask if they were in the way of a shot, or if they were, they all quickly moved when I said something. Everyone was very nice. Except "The Pro." I was at Oxbow Bend the morning after the storm, I with clearing fog and clouds just after sunrise. It was one of the prettiest mornings I've ever seen there, and I've seen dozens. I had the 4x5 set up very close to the bushes, so there is plenty of room all around and there are only a couple of other people there. Two women stop, and approach my area. One is dressed very nice, the other has a camera in here hand (looked like a high-end 35mm body). She points to a spot in front of my camera. I have the dark slide pulled on the 4x5 and am ready to trip the shutter. These two people move into the camera field of view, which was relatively narrow as I was using a 210mm lens. I explained that they were in my field of view and I was about the take a picture. The woman with the camera said: "I am a professional photographer and am getting paid to do a shoot." I said "common courtesy would say you should wait until I am done. There are plenty of spots to photograph here." She responded: "This is a public park and I am a professional, I can go where I want." They proceeded to stay in my field of view while she photographed the other woman. She would not give me her name. I called her a jerk and said no real professional photographer would act this way. I had to wait until they were finished before I could shoot again. Fortunately, the clouds and light were not changing fast, so I got good images, just not one of those I was planning. They continued shooting at other places along Oxbow Bend so it shows that my spot was not the only location, even for the "pro." While I did not let the incident ruin my day, I wonder what I might have done differently. Next time, as soon as there might appear to be a problem, I think I will act interested that they are a pro and get their name and a card before a confrontation starts. Do "pros" shooting models need a license in the park? I would report them to the park service, but I don't think it would do any good. For commercial uses, I believe they might. But that isn't necessary. Just walk into the middle of her shot and stand there. Smile and wave ;-) The other rejoinder is that *you're* a professional mercenary. But you'll do work on spec from time to time. Both of these are nice after-the-fact responses, though. If it happened to me, knowing my reactions to self-centeredness and snobbism (which generally is, "I can top that, if that's the game"), I'd probably simply say, "Yeah, so am I. Get the **** out of my shot." And no, she wasn't a pro. Not by most people's definitions, and certainly not if she was traveling unassisted and without reflectors, makeup, a change of clothes or three, yadda blah... I'm not a pro either, but I'm a damn sight closer than she is! - Al. -- To reply, insert dash in address to match domain below Online photo gallery at www.wading-in.net |
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Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) wrote:
Two women stop, and approach my area. One is dressed very nice, the other has a camera in here hand (looked like a high-end 35mm body). She points to a spot in front of my camera. I have the dark slide pulled on the 4x5 and am ready to trip the shutter. These two people move into the camera field of view, which was relatively narrow as I was using a 210mm lens. I explained that they were in my field of view and I was about the take a picture. The woman with the camera said: "I am a professional photographer and am getting paid to do a shoot." I said "common courtesy would say you should wait until I am done. There are plenty of spots to photograph here." She responded: "This is a public park and I am a professional, I can go where I want." If it makes you feel any better they probably weren't Wyomingites. In fact it sound like the attitude that comes off all those bloody, have more money than sense Californians that have invaded the area in the last twenty years or so. Autumn before last I was up there driving along and happened upon a spot where a part of the Tetons was framed just perfectly by fall color. Slammed on the brakes, pulled over, jumped out. A couple that was jogging approaches and stood there and *waited* while I made my shot. We chatted and I thanked them. They were from Wyoming. They proceeded to stay in my field of view while she photographed the other woman. She would not give me her name. I called her a jerk and said no real professional photographer would act this way. Now me, I'm a complete bitch when it comes to rude people. I'd have gotten her license plate to find out just who the hell she was. Probably I'd find a way to make her miserable depending upon how long I stayed mad. Report her to the park. If it turned out she really was a pro, I'd find out if she were online and where she hung out to let her friends and clients know how she behaves "professionally". I also agree with the other poster. I'd have gotten in her shots and told her to FO if she complained. -- Angela M. Cable Neocognition, digital scrapbooking source: http://www.neocognition.com/ PSP Tutorial Links: http://www.psplinks.com/ 5th Street Studio, free graphics, websets and mo http://www.fortunecity.com/westwood/alaia/354/ |
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"Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark)" wrote in message ...
Hi, I need to vent a little. Ha ha ha. Pro photogs are the biggest assholes there are... I just returned from Grand Teton National Park and had a wonderful time, spectacular weather (meaning a great storm then clearing clouds to make it interesting). I saw moose every day, along with deer, elk coyotes, bald eagles, osprey, etc. I was imaging with my 4x5 and with digital from wide to long telephoto. Multiple times, other amateurs would generally ask if they were in the way of a shot, or if they were, they all quickly moved when I said something. Everyone was very nice. Except "The Pro." I was at Oxbow Bend the morning after the storm, I with clearing fog and clouds just after sunrise. It was one of the prettiest mornings I've ever seen there, and I've seen dozens. I had the 4x5 set up very close to the bushes, so there is plenty of room all around and there are only a couple of other people there. Two women stop, and approach my area. One is dressed very nice, the other has a camera in here hand (looked like a high-end 35mm body). She points to a spot in front of my camera. I have the dark slide pulled on the 4x5 and am ready to trip the shutter. These two people move into the camera field of view, which was relatively narrow as I was using a 210mm lens. I explained that they were in my field of view and I was about the take a picture. The woman with the camera said: "I am a professional photographer and am getting paid to do a shoot." I said "common courtesy would say you should wait until I am done. There are plenty of spots to photograph here." She responded: "This is a public park and I am a professional, I can go where I want." They proceeded to stay in my field of view while she photographed the other woman. She would not give me her name. I called her a jerk and said no real professional photographer would act this way. I had to wait until they were finished before I could shoot again. Fortunately, the clouds and light were not changing fast, so I got good images, just not one of those I was planning. They continued shooting at other places along Oxbow Bend so it shows that my spot was not the only location, even for the "pro." While I did not let the incident ruin my day, I wonder what I might have done differently. Next time, as soon as there might appear to be a problem, I think I will act interested that they are a pro and get their name and a card before a confrontation starts. Do "pros" shooting models need a license in the park? I would report them to the park service, but I don't think it would do any good. Roger http://www.clarkvision.com |
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"Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark)" wrote in message ...
Hi, I need to vent a little. Ha ha ha. Pro photogs are the biggest assholes there are... I just returned from Grand Teton National Park and had a wonderful time, spectacular weather (meaning a great storm then clearing clouds to make it interesting). I saw moose every day, along with deer, elk coyotes, bald eagles, osprey, etc. I was imaging with my 4x5 and with digital from wide to long telephoto. Multiple times, other amateurs would generally ask if they were in the way of a shot, or if they were, they all quickly moved when I said something. Everyone was very nice. Except "The Pro." I was at Oxbow Bend the morning after the storm, I with clearing fog and clouds just after sunrise. It was one of the prettiest mornings I've ever seen there, and I've seen dozens. I had the 4x5 set up very close to the bushes, so there is plenty of room all around and there are only a couple of other people there. Two women stop, and approach my area. One is dressed very nice, the other has a camera in here hand (looked like a high-end 35mm body). She points to a spot in front of my camera. I have the dark slide pulled on the 4x5 and am ready to trip the shutter. These two people move into the camera field of view, which was relatively narrow as I was using a 210mm lens. I explained that they were in my field of view and I was about the take a picture. The woman with the camera said: "I am a professional photographer and am getting paid to do a shoot." I said "common courtesy would say you should wait until I am done. There are plenty of spots to photograph here." She responded: "This is a public park and I am a professional, I can go where I want." They proceeded to stay in my field of view while she photographed the other woman. She would not give me her name. I called her a jerk and said no real professional photographer would act this way. I had to wait until they were finished before I could shoot again. Fortunately, the clouds and light were not changing fast, so I got good images, just not one of those I was planning. They continued shooting at other places along Oxbow Bend so it shows that my spot was not the only location, even for the "pro." While I did not let the incident ruin my day, I wonder what I might have done differently. Next time, as soon as there might appear to be a problem, I think I will act interested that they are a pro and get their name and a card before a confrontation starts. Do "pros" shooting models need a license in the park? I would report them to the park service, but I don't think it would do any good. Roger http://www.clarkvision.com |
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Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) wrote:
Hi, I need to vent a little. I just returned from Grand Teton National Park and had a wonderful time, spectacular weather (meaning a great storm then clearing clouds to make it interesting). I saw moose every day, along with deer, elk coyotes, bald eagles, osprey, etc. I was imaging with my 4x5 and with digital from wide to long telephoto. Multiple times, other amateurs would generally ask if they were in the way of a shot, or if they were, they all quickly moved when I said something. Everyone was very nice. Except "The Pro." I was at Oxbow Bend the morning after the storm, I with clearing fog and clouds just after sunrise. It was one of the prettiest mornings I've ever seen there, and I've seen dozens. I had the 4x5 set up very close to the bushes, so there is plenty of room all around and there are only a couple of other people there. Two women stop, and approach my area. One is dressed very nice, the other has a camera in here hand (looked like a high-end 35mm body). She points to a spot in front of my camera. I have the dark slide pulled on the 4x5 and am ready to trip the shutter. These two people move into the camera field of view, which was relatively narrow as I was using a 210mm lens. I explained that they were in my field of view and I was about the take a picture. The woman with the camera said: "I am a professional photographer and am getting paid to do a shoot." I said "common courtesy would say you should wait until I am done. There are plenty of spots to photograph here." She responded: "This is a public park and I am a professional, I can go where I want." Yes some "pro" photographers are jerks, but there are probably just as many, who would want a look through the 4x5, when your done your shot, and might even have a few ideas for other shots, heck some of them have never seen a 4x5! It depends on if the "pro" is an artist at heart or not and if they like their job or not. Sounds like this woman was a point and shooter, who wanted to hurry through a job..... Interesting point though, you should check with the parks department, in some places professionals need a permit, in order to take photos. This is because it is public property, for which maintenance and upkeep is paid by the tax payer, and professionals making money on it, need to share their profits. If you know that someone needs a permit, then when you get this situation, you ask to see their permit, if they don't have one, tell them to get lost. They want to argue it, then argue it, in front of a park ranger. Paul They proceeded to stay in my field of view while she photographed the other woman. She would not give me her name. I called her a jerk and said no real professional photographer would act this way. I had to wait until they were finished before I could shoot again. Fortunately, the clouds and light were not changing fast, so I got good images, just not one of those I was planning. They continued shooting at other places along Oxbow Bend so it shows that my spot was not the only location, even for the "pro." While I did not let the incident ruin my day, I wonder what I might have done differently. Next time, as soon as there might appear to be a problem, I think I will act interested that they are a pro and get their name and a card before a confrontation starts. Do "pros" shooting models need a license in the park? I would report them to the park service, but I don't think it would do any good. Roger http://www.clarkvision.com |
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Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) wrote:
Hi, I need to vent a little. I just returned from Grand Teton National Park and had a wonderful time, spectacular weather (meaning a great storm then clearing clouds to make it interesting). I saw moose every day, along with deer, elk coyotes, bald eagles, osprey, etc. I was imaging with my 4x5 and with digital from wide to long telephoto. Multiple times, other amateurs would generally ask if they were in the way of a shot, or if they were, they all quickly moved when I said something. Everyone was very nice. Except "The Pro." I was at Oxbow Bend the morning after the storm, I with clearing fog and clouds just after sunrise. It was one of the prettiest mornings I've ever seen there, and I've seen dozens. I had the 4x5 set up very close to the bushes, so there is plenty of room all around and there are only a couple of other people there. Two women stop, and approach my area. One is dressed very nice, the other has a camera in here hand (looked like a high-end 35mm body). She points to a spot in front of my camera. I have the dark slide pulled on the 4x5 and am ready to trip the shutter. These two people move into the camera field of view, which was relatively narrow as I was using a 210mm lens. I explained that they were in my field of view and I was about the take a picture. The woman with the camera said: "I am a professional photographer and am getting paid to do a shoot." I said "common courtesy would say you should wait until I am done. There are plenty of spots to photograph here." She responded: "This is a public park and I am a professional, I can go where I want." Yes some "pro" photographers are jerks, but there are probably just as many, who would want a look through the 4x5, when your done your shot, and might even have a few ideas for other shots, heck some of them have never seen a 4x5! It depends on if the "pro" is an artist at heart or not and if they like their job or not. Sounds like this woman was a point and shooter, who wanted to hurry through a job..... Interesting point though, you should check with the parks department, in some places professionals need a permit, in order to take photos. This is because it is public property, for which maintenance and upkeep is paid by the tax payer, and professionals making money on it, need to share their profits. If you know that someone needs a permit, then when you get this situation, you ask to see their permit, if they don't have one, tell them to get lost. They want to argue it, then argue it, in front of a park ranger. Paul They proceeded to stay in my field of view while she photographed the other woman. She would not give me her name. I called her a jerk and said no real professional photographer would act this way. I had to wait until they were finished before I could shoot again. Fortunately, the clouds and light were not changing fast, so I got good images, just not one of those I was planning. They continued shooting at other places along Oxbow Bend so it shows that my spot was not the only location, even for the "pro." While I did not let the incident ruin my day, I wonder what I might have done differently. Next time, as soon as there might appear to be a problem, I think I will act interested that they are a pro and get their name and a card before a confrontation starts. Do "pros" shooting models need a license in the park? I would report them to the park service, but I don't think it would do any good. Roger http://www.clarkvision.com |
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Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) wrote:
Hi, I need to vent a little. I just returned from Grand Teton National Park and had a wonderful time, spectacular weather (meaning a great storm then clearing clouds to make it interesting). I saw moose every day, along with deer, elk coyotes, bald eagles, osprey, etc. I was imaging with my 4x5 and with digital from wide to long telephoto. Multiple times, other amateurs would generally ask if they were in the way of a shot, or if they were, they all quickly moved when I said something. Everyone was very nice. Except "The Pro." I was at Oxbow Bend the morning after the storm, I with clearing fog and clouds just after sunrise. It was one of the prettiest mornings I've ever seen there, and I've seen dozens. I had the 4x5 set up very close to the bushes, so there is plenty of room all around and there are only a couple of other people there. Two women stop, and approach my area. One is dressed very nice, the other has a camera in here hand (looked like a high-end 35mm body). She points to a spot in front of my camera. I have the dark slide pulled on the 4x5 and am ready to trip the shutter. These two people move into the camera field of view, which was relatively narrow as I was using a 210mm lens. I explained that they were in my field of view and I was about the take a picture. The woman with the camera said: "I am a professional photographer and am getting paid to do a shoot." I said "common courtesy would say you should wait until I am done. There are plenty of spots to photograph here." She responded: "This is a public park and I am a professional, I can go where I want." Yes some "pro" photographers are jerks, but there are probably just as many, who would want a look through the 4x5, when your done your shot, and might even have a few ideas for other shots, heck some of them have never seen a 4x5! It depends on if the "pro" is an artist at heart or not and if they like their job or not. Sounds like this woman was a point and shooter, who wanted to hurry through a job..... Interesting point though, you should check with the parks department, in some places professionals need a permit, in order to take photos. This is because it is public property, for which maintenance and upkeep is paid by the tax payer, and professionals making money on it, need to share their profits. If you know that someone needs a permit, then when you get this situation, you ask to see their permit, if they don't have one, tell them to get lost. They want to argue it, then argue it, in front of a park ranger. Paul They proceeded to stay in my field of view while she photographed the other woman. She would not give me her name. I called her a jerk and said no real professional photographer would act this way. I had to wait until they were finished before I could shoot again. Fortunately, the clouds and light were not changing fast, so I got good images, just not one of those I was planning. They continued shooting at other places along Oxbow Bend so it shows that my spot was not the only location, even for the "pro." While I did not let the incident ruin my day, I wonder what I might have done differently. Next time, as soon as there might appear to be a problem, I think I will act interested that they are a pro and get their name and a card before a confrontation starts. Do "pros" shooting models need a license in the park? I would report them to the park service, but I don't think it would do any good. Roger http://www.clarkvision.com |
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"Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark)"
She responded: "This is a public park and I am a professional, I can go where I want." She's right. And I'll bet that about 6 feet behind her model would be just a great place to take a picture from. Be sure to scatter photo equipment far and wide. And hang your jacket and hat on the nearby shrubs. It's sheer bloody-mindedness that wins the day. On the other hand, there is no gain in trying to out-asshole a real asshole. -- Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics. Remove spaces etc. to reply: n o lindan at net com dot com psst.. want to buy an f-stop timer? nolindan.com/da/fstop/ |
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"Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark)"
She responded: "This is a public park and I am a professional, I can go where I want." She's right. And I'll bet that about 6 feet behind her model would be just a great place to take a picture from. Be sure to scatter photo equipment far and wide. And hang your jacket and hat on the nearby shrubs. It's sheer bloody-mindedness that wins the day. On the other hand, there is no gain in trying to out-asshole a real asshole. -- Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics. Remove spaces etc. to reply: n o lindan at net com dot com psst.. want to buy an f-stop timer? nolindan.com/da/fstop/ |
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