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One upmanship and Canon's claim
On Jul 5, 10:27 pm, Robert Coe wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:11:03 -0700, RichA wrote: : On Jul 5, 9:20 pm, "Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark)": wrote: : Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote: : Bill Funk wrote: : : Maintenance costs alone will destroy any aspirations of keeping a : dSLR for more than 18-months. : : I don't understand this at all; experience says otherwise. : Could you expand on this? : : After 18-months of being used properly you generally have maintenance : issues to contend with. It is worse if you wear out a shutter assembly : prematurely. I know Canon had a streak of bad shutters that were taking a : dump just after 15k actuations. It all eats into your useable lifecycle. : : Here is my maintenance costs on my DSLRs: : : D60 from 2002 to 2007: $0.00 : 10D from 2003 to 2007: $0.00 : 1DII from 2004 to 2007: $0.00 : 30D 2007: $0.00 : : You mean repair bills? : Any canned air or wipes for dust removal used? Are you proposing to capitalize the cost of canned air and dust wipes? You're not a professional accountant, I hope. Bob Why not? Consumables used for business, just like printer inks, blank DVDs, etc. |
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One upmanship and Canon's claim
"RichA" wrote in message
ups.com... On Jul 5, 9:20 pm, "Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark)" wrote: Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote: Bill Funk wrote: Maintenance costs alone will destroy any aspirations of keeping a dSLR for more than 18-months. I don't understand this at all; experience says otherwise. Could you expand on this? After 18-months of being used properly you generally have maintenance issues to contend with. It is worse if you wear out a shutter assembly prematurely. I know Canon had a streak of bad shutters that were taking a dump just after 15k actuations. It all eats into your useable lifecycle. Here is my maintenance costs on my DSLRs: D60 from 2002 to 2007: $0.00 10D from 2003 to 2007: $0.00 1DII from 2004 to 2007: $0.00 30D 2007: $0.00 You mean repair bills? Any canned air or wipes for dust removal used? It's not advisable to use canned air to clear dust out of a DSLR, especially on the sensor. |
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One upmanship and Canon's claim
Peter A. Stavrakoglou wrote:
On Jul 5, 9:20 pm, "Roger N. Clark" wrote Here is my maintenance costs on my DSLRs: D60 from 2002 to 2007: $0.00 10D from 2003 to 2007: $0.00 1DII from 2004 to 2007: $0.00 30D 2007: $0.00 You mean repair bills? Yes, Any canned air or wipes for dust removal used? It's not advisable to use canned air to clear dust out of a DSLR, especially on the sensor. I did buy pec pads and eclipse, but have yet to use any--never needed it, even after a safari in Africa. I DO use canned air. I use an almost depleted can, and only move the camera over the air stream, keeping the can in one place. At the rate I seem to need to clean, I would say I've used maybe 1/3 of a small can, so $2.00 over 6 years. I've used caned air on optics and electronic sensors for 30+ years. Roger |
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Canned Air (Was One upmanship and Canon's claim)
Peter A. Stavrakoglou wrote:
"RichA" wrote in message ups.com... On Jul 5, 9:20 pm, "Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark)" wrote: Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote: Bill Funk wrote: Maintenance costs alone will destroy any aspirations of keeping a dSLR for more than 18-months. I don't understand this at all; experience says otherwise. Could you expand on this? After 18-months of being used properly you generally have maintenance issues to contend with. It is worse if you wear out a shutter assembly prematurely. I know Canon had a streak of bad shutters that were taking a dump just after 15k actuations. It all eats into your useable lifecycle. Here is my maintenance costs on my DSLRs: D60 from 2002 to 2007: $0.00 10D from 2003 to 2007: $0.00 1DII from 2004 to 2007: $0.00 30D 2007: $0.00 You mean repair bills? Any canned air or wipes for dust removal used? It's not advisable to use canned air to clear dust out of a DSLR, especially on the sensor. The only problem with canned air is when you tip the can, or hold the tip too close. In that case, it can come out still it its liquid form, which can freeze things and leave residue. As long as you don't shake/tip the can...and keep it a reasonable distance from the sensor, you won't have a problem. I never have. Some people aren't familiar enough with canned air to know when to expect liquid/freezing effects. Even the most casual of care will avoid a problem. I usually have a smaller can of it to take on trips. Be careful with brand new cans, as very little tipping is needed for liquid to come out. Interesting side note... I've had a grand total of 3 warts in my life...and I actually froze each of them off my thumb and the palm of my hand by dripping the frozen stuff from canned air onto it. You do this by turning it completely upside down, and just barely pulling the "trigger" until a drop of the liquid forms at the end of the tube. This way, you can very carefully control where it goes. Then keep it frozen for a minute or two by periodically dropping more so it stayes "frosted." It basically kills the tissue, which then dries up over a period of days...and comes off about like dried blood from a scrape (that's a nice way of saying, "scab" ). Works a charm, and is a lot cheaper than having a doctor do the EXACT same thing. He merely uses a fancier applicator, and perhaps a different chemical that freezes via quick evaporation. The effect is exactly the same. Try it...all your warty photography toads! -Dr. MarkČus Welby M.D. -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson |
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One upmanship and Canon's claim
On Jun 30, 6:05 pm, "MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number
wrote: Peter A. Stavrakoglou wrote: "MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in message ... Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) wrote: MarkČ wrote: We agree on that. I'm pretty disgusted, frankly. I'm a Canon guy, and like their stuff...but they've really screwed up on this one. At this level, they should either deliver the goods, or don't deliver at all. What's most frustrating is that they knew in advance about it (this is known due to their recognition of RG's review of a pre-production unit, and the later confirmation that the production units suffer the EXACT same problem Canon was notified about). When/if there is a fix, I'll likely be somewhere in Africa where it's impossible to benefit from it. Bummer. Mark, Have you talked directly to Canon technical support and told them of your impending trip? Maybe you could send them your 1D3 and they send you a 1D2 for your Africa trip (I would suggest that to them if they don't offer it). One could hope they will have a firmware update that solves the problem pretty quick. Roger Hmmm... That might be worth a try. I took my 1D3 to Irvine today, but I frankly don't expect a real fix when I pick it up on Monday. I might just try that...though I'll be gone for 7 weeks. They might not be too wild about such a long loan. If it doesn't appear that the camera is fixed (I'll take my laptop and test it), then I may try your suggestion. That's something I hadn't thought of... Thanks, Roger. Mark -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson Oh yeah, have a good and safe trip too. Thanks. Safety will be an issue, as I'll be carrying major camera gear in some of the most crime-ridden areas in the world...traveling alone most of the time. We'll see how it goes... -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson Check the local laws and carry a handgun and a rifle. |
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One upmanship and Canon's claim
On Jul 6, 11:56 pm, "Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark)"
wrote: Peter A. Stavrakoglou wrote: On Jul 5, 9:20 pm, "Roger N. Clark" wrote Here is my maintenance costs on my DSLRs: D60 from 2002 to 2007: $0.00 10D from 2003 to 2007: $0.00 1DII from 2004 to 2007: $0.00 30D 2007: $0.00 You mean repair bills? Yes, Any canned air or wipes for dust removal used? It's not advisable to use canned air to clear dust out of a DSLR, especially on the sensor. I did buy pec pads and eclipse, but have yet to use any--never needed it, even after a safari in Africa. I DO use canned air. I use an almost depleted can, and only move the camera over the air stream, keeping the can in one place. At the rate I seem to need to clean, I would say I've used maybe 1/3 of a small can, so $2.00 over 6 years. I've used caned air on optics and electronic sensors for 30+ years. Roger He's probably referring to those stupid enough to incline or invert the can, with inevitable consequences. |
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One upmanship and Canon's claim
RichA wrote:
On Jun 30, 6:05 pm, "MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote: Peter A. Stavrakoglou wrote: "MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in message ... Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) wrote: MarkČ wrote: We agree on that. I'm pretty disgusted, frankly. I'm a Canon guy, and like their stuff...but they've really screwed up on this one. At this level, they should either deliver the goods, or don't deliver at all. What's most frustrating is that they knew in advance about it (this is known due to their recognition of RG's review of a pre-production unit, and the later confirmation that the production units suffer the EXACT same problem Canon was notified about). When/if there is a fix, I'll likely be somewhere in Africa where it's impossible to benefit from it. Bummer. Mark, Have you talked directly to Canon technical support and told them of your impending trip? Maybe you could send them your 1D3 and they send you a 1D2 for your Africa trip (I would suggest that to them if they don't offer it). One could hope they will have a firmware update that solves the problem pretty quick. Roger Hmmm... That might be worth a try. I took my 1D3 to Irvine today, but I frankly don't expect a real fix when I pick it up on Monday. I might just try that...though I'll be gone for 7 weeks. They might not be too wild about such a long loan. If it doesn't appear that the camera is fixed (I'll take my laptop and test it), then I may try your suggestion. That's something I hadn't thought of... Thanks, Roger. Mark -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson Oh yeah, have a good and safe trip too. Thanks. Safety will be an issue, as I'll be carrying major camera gear in some of the most crime-ridden areas in the world...traveling alone most of the time. We'll see how it goes... -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson Check the local laws and carry a handgun and a rifle. Carrying a handgun would drop me right into an ex-soviet prison... -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson |
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One upmanship and Canon's claim
On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 13:39:50 -0700, "MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even
number wrote: RichA wrote: . . . Check the local laws and carry a handgun and a rifle. Carrying a handgun would drop me right into an ex-soviet prison... Check the local laws and carry a handgun and a rifle. g |
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One upmanship and Canon's claim
On Jul 7, 4:39 pm, "MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number
wrote: RichA wrote: On Jun 30, 6:05 pm, "MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote: Peter A. Stavrakoglou wrote: "MarkČ" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in ... Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) wrote: MarkČ wrote: We agree on that. I'm pretty disgusted, frankly. I'm a Canon guy, and like their stuff...but they've really screwed up on this one. At this level, they should either deliver the goods, or don't deliver at all. What's most frustrating is that they knew in advance about it (this is known due to their recognition of RG's review of a pre-production unit, and the later confirmation that the production units suffer the EXACT same problem Canon was notified about). When/if there is a fix, I'll likely be somewhere in Africa where it's impossible to benefit from it. Bummer. Mark, Have you talked directly to Canon technical support and told them of your impending trip? Maybe you could send them your 1D3 and they send you a 1D2 for your Africa trip (I would suggest that to them if they don't offer it). One could hope they will have a firmware update that solves the problem pretty quick. Roger Hmmm... That might be worth a try. I took my 1D3 to Irvine today, but I frankly don't expect a real fix when I pick it up on Monday. I might just try that...though I'll be gone for 7 weeks. They might not be too wild about such a long loan. If it doesn't appear that the camera is fixed (I'll take my laptop and test it), then I may try your suggestion. That's something I hadn't thought of... Thanks, Roger. Mark -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson Oh yeah, have a good and safe trip too. Thanks. Safety will be an issue, as I'll be carrying major camera gear in some of the most crime-ridden areas in the world...traveling alone most of the time. We'll see how it goes... -- Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at: www.pbase.com/markuson Check the local laws and carry a handgun and a rifle. Carrying a handgun would drop me right into an ex-soviet prison... That's not fair! Every time I see pictures of Africa, people either have hunting rifles, or AK-47s. |
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One upmanship and Canon's claim
On Jul 7, 8:13 pm, Rita Ä Berkowitz ritaberk2O04 @aol.com wrote:
RichA wrote: Oh yeah, have a good and safe trip too. Thanks. Safety will be an issue, as I'll be carrying major camera gear in some of the most crime-ridden areas in the world...traveling alone most of the time. We'll see how it goes... Check the local laws and carry a handgun and a rifle. Somehow I suspect Mark is over dramatizing a bit. If Mark carries himself properly he will have no problems from the local "thugs" and "gangsters" that fill the wild streets. I know Mark will have a very safe and enjoyable time. Rita I know it's hard to understand if you live in a nice, upscale community filled with "progressive liberals" who love all mankind, but at least TRY to stay current. http://allafrica.com/stories/200707040216.html |
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