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Old November 12th 17, 05:15 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Eric Stevens
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On Sat, 11 Nov 2017 22:03:14 -0500, nospam
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In article , Eric Stevens
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We were originally comparing Apple and
Dell who of the latter you wrote (above) "assemblers, including HP and
Dell are run by stupid people .... pretty much, and a very accurate
assessment of dell." We were not discussing the overall PC market.

yes we were.

just what do you think market share is about, if not the pc market?

hp, dell and apple are all part of the overall pc market.

But the data, the link to which you deleted showed that the "stupid
people" who run Dell have achieved twice the PC market share of Apple.

dell targets a different market segment than apple. the bulk of dell's
sales are corporate contracts, not end user sales. apple's sales are
mostly consumer, a segment dell is extremely weak. for retail sales,
apple owns it. how many dell stores do you see? zero. they were closed
long ago.

but as i said, apple isn't chasing market share.

also, despite apple's supposedly low (and entirely meaningless) market
share, apple is raking in the bucks, more than hp and dell *combined*:
http://www.asymco.com/wp-content/upl...ot-2013-04-16-
at-4-16-4.16.46-PM.png

Wiggle wiggle (also squirm).

nope.

Why don't you continue to talk about the
relative competence of Apple and Dell in the PC market, which is where
you started off?

that's exactly what i have been talking about all along.


Are you really saying Apple is raking in all those bucks in the PC
market?


yep, along with the smartphone market, wearables market and previously
music player market.

Why are you dragging these in when we more or less continued on from
Message-ID: where we were
discussing tool-free access, remember?

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On a current iMac it can easily take an hour or more. Tedious. And no
reason to make it so difficult other than the Apple aesthetic.

the reason is that opening a computer is rarely done, if ever, and
optimizing for that scenario stupid.


By that reasoning, all PC box manufacturers and assemblers, including HP
and Dell are run by stupid people.


pretty much, and a very accurate assessment of dell.


They must be doing something right. They have twice the market share
of Apple. See http://tinyurl.com/hoz6vdg or
http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/...are-to-the-mac

Apart from that Dell does make computers with tool-free access.

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At that time the discussion was confined to Apple vs Dell PCs, with no
thought of "smartphone market, wearables market and previously
music player market." Is Dell in the smartphone market, wearables
market and previously music player market? No, I thought not.

as i said:
if anyone is doing something right, it's apple.

No wonder you deleted the link and are now trying to change the
subject.

nope. i'm exactly on subject, and understand apple *far* better than
you do.

And I understand the subject where this started off better than you
seem prepared for.

nope. you clearly do not.

you are fixated on market share being the only metric of success.

that's a fundamental misunderstanding.

you also don't understand what the market share numbers even mean.


I do know how to tell which number is the largest of the two.


what you don't know is what the numbers actually mean.


OK, what do they mean?

also keep in mind that most of hp and dell sales are corporate
contracts, not end users, which is a totally different market segment,
something those who mindlessly spout market share numbers fail to
understand.

A desktop computer sold is a desktop computer sold. It doesn't
really matter who the buyer is.

absolutely wrong.

Why?

common sense.

do you really think those who buy a $200 netbook, a $1000 laptop, a
$2000 midrange system and a $5000 high end workstation are the same
sort of customers?

not only are the customers different, but the product specs will also
be different as well as the types of tasks done on them.

And their money is all equally good.

whoosh.

Can't answer that, can you.

i already did, and more than once.


I bet you won't tell me where.


you'd lose that bet.


I'm not betting: I'm asking.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens