On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 4:39:52 PM UTC-4, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

seat belts do not restrict turning one's head.

They do.

no they don't.

They do otherwise they wouldn't make a specail case for not wearing them.

they do not. the restriction is when they tension *after* a crash, at
which point it's too late to be turning your head and chances are you
can't anymore because it's broken.

It's like saying smoked glass windscreens have no effect on what you can
see.

nothing like that at all.

You are wrong.

nope

The code here says that you can remove the seat belt if it obstructs
movement (not only head, but the whole body) while doing slow an
complicated maneuvers.

so what?

Because regulators often rely quite heavily on actual SCIENCE when
setting up policies & industry safety standards.


wearing a seat belt does *not* restrict turning one's head to see
what's out the side or back.

if the seat belt in *your* vehicle interferes with normal driving
activity, then it's a safety risk and it should be fixed or replaced.

Incorrect, because when the OEM was allowed to sell it, it means
that the assessment of the Government regulators concluded that
it simply wasn't a critical safety issue...no matter how loudly you
try to scream today that it is.


No matter what you say it is impossible, the law is the law.

it's very possible and i do it every time i drive.

If memory serves, when I asked you if your vehicle has a bench seat
(instead of a bucket) ... you never provided a clear response.

So then, what's your response? Still waiting.

Because the topology of the seat DOES make a difference too.

And yeah, a 1969 bench seat that ends 3" below the shoulder
does allow for great visibility over the shoulder and so forth...

....but too bad they're no longer considered safe in accidents.

Restrictions on rearward vision became increasingly evident with
the rise of head restraints built into seats. Even if you could rotate
your head like an owl, you merely end up staring at your headrest.

If I get a chance next week, I'll take some photos in the headrests in
one of my cars to show how this is indeed quite a significantly factor.

Then you can try to claim that the photos are a lie. /S

Plus I've sat in some street legal seats where the depth & support of the
bucket's topology precluded full natural rotation of the head too. At that
point, one does need to rise in the seat (and against the seatbelt) to try
to get one's head out of the "pocket".



-hh