On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 20:09:03 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

I picked up on the second part of *your* reply and showed that you
were wrong. In fact there are plenty of fluids which require changing
in electric cars, including the fluids in the batteries. In fact you
did not know that and are now trying to wriggle out of discussing a
topic which *you* introduced.

what fluids might those be?

lithium ion batteries do not have fluids to change.

Are you not aware that Propylene Glycol is circulated through Tesla
batteries as a coolant? Well it is, and it has to be changed at
regular (high) intervals.
See

https://www.quora.com/How-are-the-Te...ttery-pack-coo
led
https://electrek.co/2017/01/24/tesla...-battery-pack/

i am aware of that, and that it's not *in* the batteries.

If you replace a Tesla battery,

oh, so now it's replacing batteries?

That was an illustration of what a Tesla battery looks like. The
coolant system is an integral part.

what happened to changing the battery coolant, transmission fluid and
originally the oil?

You tried to duck out on them. Thank you for bringing them back, but
there is no transmission fluid as it is commonly known in the wider
automotive industry.

it's hard to keep up with the goalpost movement, even in a tesla.

this is what you get

https://d2t6ms4cjod3h9.cloudfront.ne...tesla-battery-
tech.jpg
The coolant system is an integral part.

I had already told you, as I thought.

except that you were arguing about replacing the battery coolant, not
the actual battery assembly.

I was responding to your ".... it's not *in* the batteries". It's not
in the cells but it most certainly is in the batteries.

you're desperately trying to find *something* to argue about and when
you fail, you try something else.

Don't worry. I'm sticking with the subject.

in electric cars, including the fluids in the batteries.

and the original comment was about changing *oil*, not battery coolant.

Yes. You said there is no oil to change. Not only did I correct you on
that

there's nothing to correct since there is no oil to change.

Oh yes there is. What do you think lubricates the gears?

battery coolant is not oil and serves an entirely different purpose.

and as i said before, you're completely missing the point, which is why
you're all over the map trying to find *something* to argue about.

but I pointed out that "there are plenty of fluids which require
changing in electric cars, including the fluids in the batteries".

again, there are no fluids *in* the batteries.

See above.

there is coolant *around* the batteries, which only needs to be changed
every *eight* *years* (x & 3), not the batteries.

It exists and needs to be changed. That was the point you originally
denied.

the batteries do eventually wear out, just as they do with computers
and every other device that uses a battery. no surprise there, and also
not in any way relevant.

Who said anything about that?

If
you like now, we can go on to brake fluids and air conditioning
fluids. They all require manual management.

that's not management, and also not relevant.

you are *completely* missing the point to where it's comical the
lengths you are going just to argue.

Neil responded with "It will be interesting to see how long your car
lasts without an oil change". to which you responded:

are you not aware that they are not the same thing? apparently not.

you're really grasping at straws, and entirely missing the original
point.

oh, and the battery coolant only needs to be changed every *eight*
years for the x & 3, according to tesla.

https://www.tesla.com/support/car-maintenance

also note that there is no mention of transmission fluid. you ****ed up
that one big time.

By 'transmission fluid' you are probaly referring to conventional
automatic transmission fluid. The Tesla doesn't have an automatic
transmission and hence doesn't have automatic transmission fluid.

at least you finally figured that out.

I figured it out before you did. That's why you reminded me of it and
I had to explain its absence to you.

But
the Tesla still has a transmission which contains oil which has to be
changed from time to time.

except that there is no mention of changing transmission oil anywhere
in their own maintenance schedule (see link above).

There is no mention of battery coolant either. But see
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/thre...e-train.19220/
or http://tinyurl.com/ycjnt6kk which states
"This video shows a technician saying that the gear box of the
Roadster has oil in it and it needs to be changed every two years
or so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggoi0...ature=youtu.be "

in fact, the word 'transmission' does not exist *anywhere* on that page
and the word oil only exists to say that tesla doesn't need for it to
be changed:
Unlike gasoline cars, Tesla cars require no traditional oil changes,
fuel filters, spark plug replacements or emission checks

Oils wear out, irrespective of engine type.

When you wrote "and for an electric
vehicle, there is no oil to change" it was that to that oil which I
originally referred.

transmission fluid is not oil and serves an entirely different purpose.

But the Tesla has none.

a manual transmission does use gear oil, but a tesla doesn't have a
manual transmission (nor does almost every other vehicle made), so that
is not applicable.

and you're still missing the original point.

What? That if something needs management it must be broken?
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Regards,

Eric Stevens