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Pete D wrote:
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Pete D wrote:
This is easy.

A photograph is what you take with any camera and then do a direct
print, this is a photograph.

Anything else is simply not a photography, it will be a digitally
altered image.
Agree 100%.

BTW, what sharpening, white balance, and saturation settings should
I apply to best achieve this?

Would it be cheating to set the exposure time to freeze or allow
motion blur to be used as a feature, or use the aperture settings to
control DOF?

Would shooting in monochrome be cheating?

Would correcting distortion be cheating? What about perspective -
can I use a PC lens? Should I use rectilinear corrected lenses or
fish-eyes? Can I even use different focal lengths?

I think that the only way to avoid cheating with a dslr is to fit it
with a standard prime lens, then glue your camera mode dial to "P",
smash the pop-up flash off if it has one, and thenceforth only ever
use the shutter button.
the changes you are referring to dont actually distract from the
'ethicical' spirit of your photograph..it's not like you are pinching
the sky from an arizona desert landscape to make up for blown
highlights you got from a waterfall in the lake district ..
So is it ethical to use a large aperture to obscure/blur out something
in the background - something really was there, but not ethical to do
the same using pp techniques?

IMO the "ethical spirit" is mainly crud. The "legal spirit" matters
if you're taking forensic photos and can apply to photos used as
records, journalism etc, but I can also think of perfectly legitimate
uses of digital pp for those - that are also entirely ethical.

As for photography as an art, then IMO any criticism of pp is precious
crock, probably purveyed mainly by luddites and other fixer-sniffers
who don't know how to use a computer.
I think you have missed the point here, pretty much every image we as
photographers print up these days are digital images, not photographs.
Never did I say anything about ethics etc, I simply said basicly print
from the camera and that is a photograph, do more than that and it is a
digital image, whatever you want to do is fine by me, you have to look
at it.
Rubbish.
Even while I type this, I'm looking at a photo of my Great Grandmother
and Grandmother taken in about 1895, and probably more heavily altered
than many people typically do with digital, but I doubt that anyone over
the past 112 years has ever even questioned the purity of that image as
a "photograph".

Whatever, thats your opinion and you are allowed to have one.
What is that supposed to mean?
Because you now see that your view was crazy, you excuse yourself by
commenting that an opposing view was "allowed"?
Sheesh.

What gives, am I not allowed an opinion, last time I looked that was ok, not
allowing it now in your group? So sorry but I cannot agree but am more than
happy for you to think differently!

Cheers.

The Crazy Man!!