On 2010-01-01 17:17:42 -0800, "Bill Graham" said:


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On 2010-01-01 16:41:55 -0800, "Bill Graham" said:


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Of course one never knows what really went on in another's house. My
point is these guys have no business trying to dictate to me how I
should conduct my family life. How many of these "family value"
preachers turn out to be drug abusers, adulterers and closet gay. Think
attempted pick ups in a bathroom. True one pixel does not make a
picture, but multiple pixels certainly do. (Hadda get back to
photography.)

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Peter

weg9 says: I agree, but if you don't think the liberals tell me how
to live, then you haven't tried on a pair of my shoes.....How about
their helmet laws? It isn't their business what I want to do to my
head, but they are quick to make laws governing it. And their tobacco
taxes that run the price of a pack of cigs to nearly $10? No, it isn't
just the religious right that sticks its nose into other people's
business.......
Let's take things one at a time:

If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my
lungs with your second hand smoke.

Who said anything about your lungs? I would have to pay $10 a pack
whether your lungs were screwed up or not, so that has nothing to do
with the liberals using the tax laws to control the morality of the
people, does it?


Now let's look at a helmet law. If you brain damage yourself, it would
seem like your business. But, who is going to support you if you can't
work, if you don't have the means to support yourself. Why should you
force me to take care of you in that circumstance. Come to think of it,
why should I pay for your lung disease recovery, simply because you
want to smoke?

Do you also object to DUI laws?



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Peter

The DUI laws affect other people on the road.....If you are drunk, you
could drive across the double line and hurt me. But why would you care
whether or not I wear a helmet? As a matter of fact, your chances of
surviving an accident with me are better if I am NOT wearing a helmet.
Also, my chances of getting in an accident in the first place are
greater when I am wearing a helmet, which restricts my ability to see
and hear. And, while we are on the subject, I carry a full boat of
health insurance, so you don't have to pay anything to fix me,
buddy.....I pay for my own repair. But this is typical of you liberals.
first, you make a law that steals my tax dollars and uses them to pay
for someone else's health insurance, than you use that as an excuse to
make laws that govern how well I take care of my self so I don't incur
an expense to YOU.....Give me a break! First, just leave my money
alone, and let me take care of myself with it, and then leave my
lifestyle alone, so I can break my own head if I want to. If you can't
see that there is a difference between DUI laws and helmet and seat
belt laws, then there is no way that we can have any sort of rational
discussion on this subject.

You know, there is another reason than money why I am opposed to the
Obama health plan....there is a philosophical difference between people
paying for their own health care and letting the government (taxpayers)
pay for it. If you are paying your own way, then your lifestyle will
(and should) affect your premiums, and the insurance companies will
charge you more for endangering your life and health.But when the
government just insures everyone automatically, then there is no
individual responsibility, and people will drive, eat, drink, and live
generally like there's no tomorrow. Good health care is expensive, and
that's the way it ought to be. By costing you money, it insures that
you will fully realize the cost of not taking good care of yourself.
It's the same old argument....Socialism takes away individual
responsibility, and this also takes away your freedom to do what you
want to do, and pay your own way. I have to pay $1450 a month for three
people, and this is one of the reasons why I no longer ride a
motorcycle, and no longer smoke tobacco. I didn't need any laws to
convince me of this.....It was my own choice.

You no longer smoke tobacco!!

Then why even bitch about what a pack might cost you? Thinking of
slipping back into the ranks of the puffers?


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Regards,

Savageduck


Surely you're not serious? Do you think that we should all only take
care of ourselves, and not pay any attention to the constitutionality
of our laws. How about a law that takes all of Bill Gates' money away
from him and distributes it to the rest of us? We would all vote for
it, (except Bill Gates) because we would all gain from it. That's what
the US Constitution is for.....To protect the minority from the tyranny
of the majority. That's why we don't live in a Democracy, but rather in
a Constitutional Republic. If they can control smoking by simply taxing
the hell out of a pack of cigs, then they can control anything I might
like to do by taxing the hell out of it.....And pretty soon they
will....Tell me, Sduck, what is it you like to do?

First, I don't and never have smoked. I enjoy fine dining a few times a
month and fit that into my budget.
I enjoy an occasional glass of good (not outrageously expensive) wine.
There is certainly tax on that, and Der Guvernator has seen fit to
increase the tax on that, but I deal with that rationally.

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Regards,

Savageduck