In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


That statement encompasses what you have just written about
"photoshop's conversion to its own working space" which is set by
'EditColorsettings'. This gives you the choice of ProPhoto plus a
zillion others. But I expect you already know tat.

no it doesn't, and that suggests that you're *very* confused about
what's going on and what needs to happen.

Nothing to do with what "needs" to happen What I said is absolutely
correct. Whether or not any of the available settings makes sense is
another matter entirely.

while it might be technically correct (although not exactly), the
reality is that it's entirely separate from the two menu commands peter
mentioned.

But PeterN wasn't mentioning them as menu commands.

yes he was, given that he's mentioned using those on multiple occasions.

He raised them as
things which can be done, as functions. Whether you do it by clicking
a button on the window or by letting the machine do the work is quite
another matter.

nope.

photoshop is designed to do the proper thing in normal use. you're
trying to micromanage every step without fully understanding what each
step does.

You are wriggling. Clutching at straws in an attempt to get off a hook
of your own making.

nope.

at the end of the day, you are getting results you do not like, so
something is *not* set correctly. the goal is to find out what that is
and fix it.

Changing the subject away from your own blooper.

no blooper whatsoever.

ask yourself again who is having problems with prints and who is not.

then ask yourself if you want to resolve it or not.

you *can* override what photoshop does when necessary, but opening a
raw image (or jpeg) and then printing it to a local printer is not one
of them. in fact, that's one of the most common use cases there is,
which means it should work as expected with little to no fuss.

'Color Space' remember? I was raising questions about the whys and
wherefors of the way that the Windows Color Management System handles
different color spaces for printing.

you're overthinking things.

are you planning on writing a windows colour management utility or do
you want good prints?

at this point, who knows how you have things set, so start with
resetting everything and start from known defaults:
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/preferences.html
https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/he...s-lightroom.ht
ml

next, open an image (raw or jpeg), adjust onscreen as desired, then
print as you normally would. let *either* the printer *or* photoshop
manage colours (not both). evaluate results.

I'm way past that.

apparently not, given that you're not getting results you want.

don't worry about converting/assigning, printer space, srgb/argb or
anything else at this time. save that for later. stop overthinking
things. photoshop (or lightroom) has you covered.

what you'll more than likely find is that the defaults do a damned fine
job.

What goes on in your little brain? This whole thread exists because it
is NOT doing a fine job.

only because you're doing something wrong.

the goal is to identify why and then remedy it.

the best way to do that is start over from scratch, leaving things at
their defaults, and work your way up, *not* dive in head first and
start tweaking every option.

you also didn't say which books you've read, but anything by fraser or
schewe is good. if you have any books by marguilis, the best thing to
do is to use them to build a fire to save on heating costs. that's
probably low this time of year for you, so maybe do that in a couple
of months when it gets cold.

In no particular order:

3) Color Management - Fraser, Murphy & Bunting
5) The Digital Negative - Jeff Schewe
6) The Digital Print - Jeff Schewe

pay attention to those.