On 2013-01-11 07:24:26 -0800, Peter said:

On 1/10/2013 9:06 PM, Robert Coe wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 22:18:18 -0500, Peter wrote:
: On 1/9/2013 10:04 PM, Robert Coe wrote:
: On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 21:54:31 -0500, Peter wrote:
: : On 1/9/2013 9:33 PM, Robert Coe wrote:
: : On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 21:18:06 -0500, Peter
wrote:
: : : On 1/9/2013 11:48 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
: : :
: : : snip
: : :
: : : Peter Newman - "Almost Off" is very much South Beach, but not much
: : : "Street". I like "Pick a Winner", but I'm not keen on that much
: : : grain. Good composition and subject choice. Ditto for all
comments
: : : when looking at "The Loser".
: : :
: : :
: : : Thanks for your comment.
: : : Unfortunately, I too would have liked a little less grain,
but shooting
: : : conditions prevailed. Look at the ISO, aperature and shutter
speed. It
: : : was better than no image.
: :
: : Fair enough, but that's not really the issue, is it? The
question is whether
: : accepting the grain is better than applying noise reduction at
the cost of a
: : corresponding reduction in sharpness. That's the usual tradeoff
in low light,
: : high-ISO digital photography. And grain is counter-intuitive to
the human eye;
: : loss of sharpness isn't.
: :
: :
: : You are right. but, that is a decision for the photographer to make.
: : Having made it, I submitted the images to the SI for evaluation of their
: : comments. In this case the mandate also specified only minor
: : photoshopping. I felt that use of NR wold have violated the mandate.
:
: You're right, almost by definition, about the photographer's
artistic license.
: But NR can be preset in any modern camera. Assuming you shoot in RAW, which
: I'm sure you do, all you're doing when you play with the NR is homing in on
: the right initial setting. I can't imagine how that violates the mandate.
:
:
: Yes it can.
: However, I usually do my NR in post. One of the drawbacks of shooting
: with large files is that any in camera processing slows down my frame
: rate. Not asking for sympathy, just explaining my choices.

I quite understand, but really that was my point. Since you can set NR in
camera, it can hardly be overprocessing to tweak the NR level of a RAW image
in post.

True. I was too focused on other issues, that I didn't think.

So, betting on the ponies can disrupt your thinking, leading to noisy
photographs.

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Regards,

Savageduck