Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
 

On 10/9/2018 9:32 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 10/9/2018 2:41 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:


Whether or not this is an issue depends on what users do with their
computers. If they're playing around with beta releases, as in the
Insider Development program, it's not a good idea to use a computer
with critical files on it. As for the rest who use Win10, the
update has not been distributed, so it's a non-issue.

wrong. 1809 was released last week to the public then later pulled on
friday after people lost data. it was not an insider build.

It was not "distributed".* It was available for "optional" download
only.

I got it automatically on a laptop of mine.

yep. same here (although not a laptop).


I did not get the update on my Win10 machine. Possible that had
something to do with the fact that I have automatic updates turned off.

IMHO the larger problem is that Win 10 updates *CAN* delete files.
Also Win 10, by design, forces updates.
The level of trust has been greatly compromised.
Who really knows what files/folders/etc could be the target
of some code "oops", let alone an actual targeted attack?
--
==
Later...
Ron C
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Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
 

On 10/9/2018 10:38 PM, Ron C wrote:
On 10/9/2018 9:32 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 10/9/2018 2:41 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:


Whether or not this is an issue depends on what users do with their
computers. If they're playing around with beta releases, as in the
Insider Development program, it's not a good idea to use a computer
with critical files on it. As for the rest who use Win10, the
update has not been distributed, so it's a non-issue.

wrong. 1809 was released last week to the public then later pulled on
friday after people lost data. it was not an insider build.

It was not "distributed".* It was available for "optional" download
only.

I got it automatically on a laptop of mine.

yep. same here (although not a laptop).


I did not get the update on my Win10 machine. Possible that had
something to do with the fact that I have automatic updates turned off.

IMHO the larger problem is that Win 10 updates *CAN* delete files.
Also Win 10, by design, forces updates.
The level of trust has been greatly compromised.
Who really knows what files/folders/etc could be the target
of some code "oops", let alone an actual targeted attack?

i do try to regularly back up.
My Win 7 machine has not such issues.

--
PeterN

Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
 

In article , MC
wrote:


It was not "distributed". It was available for "optional"
download only.

I got it automatically on a laptop of mine.

yep. same here (although not a laptop).

Quote, "The Windows 10 October 2018 Update (version 1809) was made
available on October 2nd but hadn’t yet been pushed through Windows’
automatic update system"

yet it automatically updated for some people.

Also quote, "Microsoft responded on October 4th by pulling the update
for further investigation into the bug."

Then a quote from Microsoft, "We have paused the rollout of the Windows
10 October 2018 Update (version 1809) for all users as we investigate
isolated reports of users missing some files after updating"

This says that the update was originaly available for download but the
automatic rollout has been put back until the issues have been ironed
out.

no, it says that they paused the rollout, which occurs in stages, as it
does for many companies, including apple and google.

the next stage was for today, which obviously did not happen, although
a fix has been released to insiders.

I have no idea how your machines are set up to get updates but it seems
they are scheduled to look for them and pull them from the server
rather than wait for MS to push them. I have not got the update
because I wait for the push.

i also wait for a push.

on one of my systems, creators never showed up and fall creators was
actually the following spring just before 1803 was released, which was
very prompt.

Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
 

In article , Ron C
wrote:


IMHO the larger problem is that Win 10 updates *CAN* delete files.

of course it can. that's how updates work. new files are installed and
old ones are deleted. it's also not just system updates. apps can also
delete or corrupt files, as can the user. malware is designed to do
that.

the real problem is that a data loss bug was reported and ignored.
that's bad.

Also Win 10, by design, forces updates.

which is a very good thing. users generally do not bother updating,
putting themselves and others at risk.

unfortunately, windows update is poorly implemented, often occurring at
the worst possible time.

The level of trust has been greatly compromised.

true.

Who really knows what files/folders/etc could be the target
of some code "oops", let alone an actual targeted attack?

that's what backups are for. if there's an oops, simply restore from a
backup. no big deal.

Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
 

On 10/9/2018 10:58 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 10/9/2018 10:38 PM, Ron C wrote:
On 10/9/2018 9:32 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 10/9/2018 2:41 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:


Whether or not this is an issue depends on what users do with their
computers. If they're playing around with beta releases, as in the
Insider Development program, it's not a good idea to use a computer
with critical files on it. As for the rest who use Win10, the
update has not been distributed, so it's a non-issue.

wrong. 1809 was released last week to the public then later
pulled on
friday after people lost data. it was not an insider build.

It was not "distributed".* It was available for "optional" download
only.

I got it automatically on a laptop of mine.

yep. same here (although not a laptop).


I did not get the update on my Win10 machine. Possible that had
something to do with the fact that I have automatic updates turned off.

IMHO the larger problem is that Win 10 updates *CAN* delete files.
Also Win 10, by design, forces updates.
The level of trust has been greatly compromised.
Who really knows what files/folders/etc could be the target
of some code "oops", let alone an actual targeted attack?

i do try to regularly back up.
My Win 7 machine has not such issues.

Ah, but that's not Win 10. Now here's a (paranoid) question;
How do you know what and how many files any Win update
has touched let alone deleted? Yes, we have backups .. but
how often do we test for CRC, etc. differences?
OK, end paranoia, um ...for the moment. ;-)
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==
Later...
Ron C
--

Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
 

On 10/9/2018 11:25 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , MC
wrote:


It was not "distributed". It was available for "optional"
download only.

I got it automatically on a laptop of mine.

yep. same here (although not a laptop).

Quote, "The Windows 10 October 2018 Update (version 1809) was made
available on October 2nd but hadn’t yet been pushed through Windows’
automatic update system"

yet it automatically updated for some people.

There are optional IDK settings in Windows that allow for this. People
who enable those settings are either beta testers or those who don't
know what they're doing and shouldn't be surprised at the result.

--
best regards,

Neil

Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
 

In article , Neil
wrote:

It was not "distributed". It was available for "optional"
download only.

I got it automatically on a laptop of mine.

yep. same here (although not a laptop).

Quote, "The Windows 10 October 2018 Update (version 1809) was made
available on October 2nd but hadn¹t yet been pushed through Windows¹
automatic update system"

yet it automatically updated for some people.

There are optional IDK settings in Windows that allow for this. People
who enable those settings are either beta testers or those who don't
know what they're doing and shouldn't be surprised at the result.

no special settings were required nor being on the insider track.

Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
 

On 10/10/2018 12.59, Neil wrote:
On 10/9/2018 11:25 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , MC
wrote:


It was not "distributed".Â* It was available for "optional"
download only.

I got it automatically on a laptop of mine.

yep. same here (although not a laptop).

Quote, "The Windows 10 October 2018 Update (version 1809) was made
available on October 2nd but hadn’t yet been pushed through Windows’
automatic update system"

yet it automatically updated for some people.

There are optional IDK settings in Windows that allow for this. People
who enable those settings are either beta testers or those who don't
know what they're doing and shouldn't be surprised at the result.

As I don't power up Windows often (I'm a Linux user), the day I use
Windows I tell it to search for updates now, instead of letting it there
for days waiting for the updates to come.

I don't read that as saying yes to optional updates: once I tell Windows
to search for updates it starts searching, then downloading, then
updating on its own, taking an awful long time to do it. Like two days
of updating and rebooting several times.

I take "optional" to mean an update that I can refuse to do, that it
actively asks me whether I want it or not. That did not happen.

I do not know if it erased anything, though. I did not check. Now that I
read of the problems I'll have to check.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
 

On 10/10/2018 10:25 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 10/10/2018 12.59, Neil wrote:
On 10/9/2018 11:25 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , MC
wrote:


It was not "distributed".Â* It was available for "optional"
download only.

I got it automatically on a laptop of mine.

yep. same here (although not a laptop).

Quote, "The Windows 10 October 2018 Update (version 1809) was made
available on October 2nd but hadn’t yet been pushed through Windows’
automatic update system"

yet it automatically updated for some people.

There are optional IDK settings in Windows that allow for this. People
who enable those settings are either beta testers or those who don't
know what they're doing and shouldn't be surprised at the result.

As I don't power up Windows often (I'm a Linux user), the day I use
Windows I tell it to search for updates now, instead of letting it there
for days waiting for the updates to come.

I don't read that as saying yes to optional updates: once I tell Windows
to search for updates it starts searching, then downloading, then
updating on its own, taking an awful long time to do it. Like two days
of updating and rebooting several times.

I take "optional" to mean an update that I can refuse to do, that it
actively asks me whether I want it or not. That did not happen.

I wrote that there are optional SETTINGS (read it again). One does not
have to enable IDK updates in any version of Win10, which makes them
"optional". That has nothing to do with whatever you are referring to as
"optional updates".

--
best regards,

Neil

Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos
 

On 2018-10-10 10:58, Neil wrote:
On 10/10/2018 10:25 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 10/10/2018 12.59, Neil wrote:

As I don't power up Windows often (I'm a Linux user), the day I use
Windows I tell it to search for updates now, instead of letting it there
for days waiting for the updates to come.

I don't read that as saying yes to optional updates: once I tell Windows
to search for updates it starts searching, then downloading, then
updating on its own, taking an awful long time to do it. Like two days
of updating and rebooting several times.

I take "optional" to mean an update that I can refuse to do, that it
actively asks me whether I want it or not. That did not happen.

I wrote that there are optional SETTINGS (read it again). One does not
have to enable IDK updates in any version of Win10, which makes them
"optional". That has nothing to do with whatever you are referring to as
"optional updates".

I'm still running WinXP (home) and Win 7 (work) to support legacy s/w
and an accounting program. Both on Macs under a virtualizer.

From what I keep reading about Win 10 I shudder to think I may have to
go there some day... (different "editions" with different abilities and
limitations, arbitrary updates (just when you have to get something else
done...)

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need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
- unknown protester